Korey Rowe - The Loose Cannon of 9/11
Thursday, August 10th, 2006
Back Home from Iraq with Army grunt-turned-film producer Korey Rowe
By Michael Slenske
Michael Slenske writes SMITH’s Back Home From Iraq column.
“I see myself as a person who’s a buffer between conspiracy theorist and military informant, so I thought my help on Loose Change would make it a better quality piece, something more mainstream people, who aren’t dove into conspiracies, could really watch and take in.”
It took two governors, four Congressmen, three former White House officials, and two special counsels two years to compile. They reviewed over two and half million pages of classified and de-classified documents, consulted 1200 sources in 10 countries, and spent over $15 million of the taxpayers’ money in the process. And on July 22, 2004, the 9/11 Commission issued their final report about the terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Is it possible that two twentysomethings from “a small hippie town that time forgot” could undermine that entire effort with $8,000 and a laptop?
Yes, if you ask ex-Army specialist Korey Rowe. The 23-year old from Oneonta, New York returned home from two tours—one to Afghanistan; the other to Iraq—to help his best friends, Dylan Avery (director) and Jason Bermas (researcher), produce the sensational 80-minute, Web-based documentary Loose Change, which seeks to establish the government’s complicity in the terror attacks by addressing some very tough questions: Why wasn’t Ground Zero treated like a crime scene? How did both towers “freefall” to the ground “in 9.2 seconds” in just under two hours? And where are the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175?
While the film is admittedly flawed and draws on some dubious new media sources, including Wikipedia, it’s inarguably sparked a new interest in the “9/11 Truth” movement. Since its April 2005 debut online, Loose Change (the first and second edition) has received over 10 million viewings, it was just featured in the August issue of Vanity Fair, and the final cut of the film is expected to debut at the Sundance Film Festival in January. “I’ve got four movie studios [including Paramount and Miramax] beating down my door to make the final cut,” says Rowe, who’s now got offices from California to London to handle his growing company. Last week SMITH caught up with Rowe—who’s been labeled everything from a traitor to a CIA operative in the past year—to see how he went from protecting the Iraq-Syrian border against Muslim insurgents to a self-described “conspiracy theorist” poised to take Hollywood (and the country) by storm.
Do you work for the CIA?
No, I do not work for the CIA.
Just wanted to get that out of the way. What made you want to join the military?
The fact that I was doing nothing. I was 18; I wasn’t ready to go to college yet. I knew that if I went to college I wouldn’t have spent too much time in class, I would have spent my time partying. I wouldn’t have gotten done what I needed to do. It would have been a waste of my parents’ money. So I decided it would probably be best if I joined the military—this was pre-September 11—Bush was in office, there wasn’t a whole lot going on, I didn’t foresee a war happening, I just thought it would be a good way to get out of town, man-up a little, and then move on with the rest of my life. Before I knew it, I just joined.
Did you want to go to war?
At first I did. I wanted to retaliate for September 11. The government told me it was Osama bin Laden, the government told me he was hiding in caves in Afghanistan, they told me he had killed a bunch of innocent Americans, so at first I wanted to go over there and defend just like everyone else. It was the hooah thing to do at the time.
What were you doing in Afghanistan?
My primary MOS [military occupational specialty] was 11 Bravo, which is infantry, frontline infantry. I was carrying a gun, humping a lot of weight on my back. That was what I did in Afghanistan full time. I was at the Kandahar airfield, Bagram, and Khost. But in Afghanistan I really didn’t do much. I was there for six months, pulled a lot of guard; I went on, I think, three missions. Never got any enemy contact, never got fired on, I watched it on my perimeter, a couple hundred meters out while someone else was getting shot at, but I never really got any action.
And in Iraq?
In Iraq I went from the southern tip all the way into Baghdad. I road in the back of a truck from the southern tip, through the desert into Al-Hillah, took the battle of Al-Hillah, which was pretty crazy; it looked like a Vietnam movie. Then we moved further north into Baghdad, where we were in Medical City. I was stationed in an emergency room door for about a month and a half just watching these bodies of children and their families come in. Then I moved north into Mosul, swung west into Sinjar, on the Syrian-Turkey border where we had to watch for insurgents coming across the border.
How did that experience change you?
I went from being some kid who had no idea about anything in the military—I didn’t even know what the infantry was when I joined, I just told them I wanted to shoot stuff and blow stuff up—to being a communications specialist for my commander. That was really when I started to see the bigger picture—when I started working for higher commanders—seeing how things ran.
When was the first time you heard from Dylan Avery about what he was doing with Loose Change back in New York?
After I got back from Afghanistan he started to talk about the idea that 9/11 was an inside job, and started letting me know about some of the information he had come across. It was between returning from Afghanistan and redeploying for Iraq that my mind started to click on. I was like, “Wait a minute—I was in Afghanistan three months ago, and now I’m going to be in Iraq in four months, I’ve got to invade another country, where is this going?” Then—and I hate to say this—I saw Fahrenheit 911, which to me is a terrible movie. But a lot of it made sense in the pretext and military build-up to Afghanistan before we were actually attacked. When I walked out of that movie I was like, “Wow, that messed with my head.” Right before I deployed for Iraq I had the inclination that something was seriously wrong. But then it didn’t matter because at that point I had to go. My unit needed me. I was the company RTO [radio telephone operator], I was running communications. It didn’t matter what my personal beliefs were. I just had to go over and shut my mouth for another year.
So why this film?
Loose Change happened by accident. The whole thing started out as a fictional screenplay about me and Dylan and another friend of ours finding out 9/11 was an inside job. It started out as a comedic action film with us being chased by the FBI and all that. But when Dylan started researching the screenplay he found out the attacks really were an inside job, so we made it into a documentary. I see myself as a person who’s a buffer between conspiracy theorist and military informant, so I thought my help on Loose Change would make it a better quality piece, something more mainstream people who aren’t into conspiracies could really watch and take in. I call it the gateway drug because it can take someone totally green to the information—who believed Muslims carried out 9/11, that the World Trade Center was brought down because of jet fuel, and that the Pentagon was hit by a plane—you put them in front of this movie and 80 minutes later they are going to question it at least. Bottom line: they’re going to question it. It makes people think. It made me think, so I wanted to make other people think.
When you got back from Iraq did you know you wanted to go work on the film?
No, I went back to work. I was training. That’s what you do. When you’re not deployed you’re in the rear either fixing your gear or using your gear. I was stationed in Fort Campbell, Kentucky the whole four years besides the time I was overseas. When you’re back from overseas you get a month off, you clean your gear, and then go fight again.
Didn’t you ever stop and think, “Wait, Dylan is just a kid.”?
Yeah, several times. I thought, I’m in the military, I know stuff. But Dylan was way more informed than me. Like I said, I’m getting the Army Times, I’m getting the AFN, and now it’s out, it’s reported that the government spent millions of dollars spinning false articles to newspapers across the world. So who’s to say the Armed Forces Network and the Army Times aren’t chockfull of bullshit.
How prevalent is that mindset in the Army?
That they know what’s going on?
Yeah?
It’s 98 percent. It’s a fantasy world those people live in. I mean it’s really something. I call them infected. They can’t come back to civilian life. They’re like, “You can’t get out of the Army, you ain’t gonna get no job, you ain’t gonna do nothing. You gonna work at Burger King. What are you gonna do at Burger King? You still wear a uniform; you still get a hair cut at Burger King. So why don’t you just stay in the Army, join up, sign again, get $6,000.” If you don’t re-enlist they just make you sit in a chair. They made me sit in a chair for a week. Sit in that chair until you re-enlist. I just sat there. “You want me to sit in this chair,” I said, “I’ll sit in this chair for a month, because in a month I’m out of here.”
When you came back was there anything that really bothered you about the American public?
Yeah, their ability to believe the B.S. they see on TV. They’re so in tune with their television and CNN and Fox News and the New York Post. They watch the news and the news reporter, whoever it is, forms an opinion for them. Take the release of the Pentagon video. CNN had been bashing conspiracies all day because people kept writing in about conspiracy theories. They build it up for two hours, then they show the video, then Jamie McIntyre, who we actually use in our video says, “All right, there’s the plane, you can see it, there’s the vapor trail, and there’s the explosion. They only shoot in half-second frames; it’s the only shot of the Pentagon. We’ll be right back to cover more of this. This is undisputed proof that a plane hit the Pentagon.” They go to commercial, and instead of coming back and going to Flight 77, they go to American Idol. They just implant the idea, there’s Jamie McIntyre saying he sees a 757 flying into the Pentagon, and then they switch to American Idol. So then when someone says there’s no plane that hit the Pentagon someone else can say, “That’s not true, I watched CNN this afternoon. Jamie McIntyre saw the plane, he showed me.” People believe anything because it’s on CNN.
What do you think about the Popular Mechanics cover story about “Debunking 9/11 Myths”?
That’s a good article. It covers some good information, but it directly takes away from some of the facts. It states that NATO scrambled planes at one time that could’ve intercepted the planes, but couldn’t because they couldn’t reach them in time. That’s bullshit. That article reports they only would’ve had to have flown at 24 percent of their full-blower, and an F15 flies at 1800 mph. You’re telling me when the first plane was hi-jacked at 8:20am, until 9:45, when the plane was flown into the Pentagon, you’re telling me that not one F-15 could be scrambled and taken down one of those planes. Not to mention the [“Debunking 9/11 Myths”] piece stands on the Nova theory (the “Pancake Theory”) that one floor collapsed on another floor creating a succession of collapses where the towers fell. If that’s true, you have a 75-story office building untouched by fuel, fire, any debris whatsoever. You have a 30-story chunk above that, which is also untouched. You have the 78th to 82nd floor, which is on fire. Think about that. You have a 70-something story office building, untouched, unscathed by fuel. You’re going to tell me that the steel supposedly weakened, fell on one floor, on top of another floor, on top of another floor, for 78 floors, reaching the ground floor, and fell in 9.2 seconds. 9.2 seconds is the exact rate of freefall for a building that tall, which is 1,368 feet tall. If you take Galileo’s Law of Falling Bodies and you calculate the distance by the time it takes to fall, it’s 9.2 seconds. That means that all those floors fell without any resistance from any of those untouched floors below it. It’s completely impossible. Not only do you have to do that, you just have to watch the collapse of the towers. You can see the bombs going off. It is so obvious. It’s an umbrella theory. You blow up the top to conceal what’s going on beneath it.
The Blair Witch Project also looked real to people who were in on the documentary preceding it. It totally worked. The first time you watch it, it grabs you. But Loose Change isn’t meant to be fictional. It’s a watchable film, but what do you expect people to do with it?
What I encourage people to do is go out and research it themselves. We don’t ever come out and say that everything we say is 100 per cent. We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves—the B52 [remarked to have flown into the Empire State Building], the use of Wikipedia, things like that. We left them in there so people will want to discredit us and go out and research the events yourself and come up with your own conclusions. That’s our whole goal, to make Americans think. To wake up from the 16 amps of your television to watch something and get a passion in something again. And that’s what America has always been about. From the Vietnam protests…it’s always been about a passion. And now we’re trying to build that passion in people, to wake up, to stop watching television, to stop reading the crappy newspapers, and go online and find those de-classified documents, go find the scientists that aren’t young filmmakers, but the ones after Steven E. Jones at BYU, who has steel from the World Trade Center and has conducted tests on the steel and it’s come to the point, over and over again, that what they [the 9-11 Commission] say can’t be true. That it had to be brought down by controlled demolition. Our whole goal is to wake Americans up to do something about it.
What do you say to people who’d say you’re doing this to make a dollar?
You should see my dilapidated house in upstate New York. I drive a Ford F-150 that has a tape player. We sell DVDs, we make money, but we just give the shit away because we don’t want to be war profiteers. We’re not about making money on the whole thing—we’re about getting information out. That’s why we’ve turned down seven figures, more than once, from people looking to buy our film and put it in theaters—because they don’t care about it. They only see the moneymaking aspect of it. We want to make sure it’s handled correctly. That the movie gets out 100 per cent accurate when it comes out in theaters, because it’s obviously not now, and that it’s projected in the right light so people aren’t threatened by it. If we coordinate 500 theaters across the country to start playing it, it’s going to start a wave. We’re going to have a whole weekend of events on 9/11 just to raise awareness among New Yorkers so that we can try to get an independent investigation to look back into the facts that every news agency in the world has ignored. Americans are going to be pissed.
Great article Mike.
Thanks for the support.
Korey
Wow!!! I enjoyed reading that 9/11 post… I’ve been trying to say it ever since that morning I was watchin it on my Large Screen TV. and I’ve gotten nothing but harrassment ever since. You’d be surprised how even your closest family members can turn on you, out of fear!!!
I’ve written on blogs across the Internet about Nazi America, I’ve even had a member of congress call me personally for an interview of Why??? I feel this way.
Good luck, and keep it up! It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s got to do it…
by Diana, A victim…
[Still a Victim of the System's Flaws!!!]
Not only is “Loose Change” not 100% accurate, it is 100% inaccurate. I’ve spent a lot of time analyzing each claim in the movie. I found 81 errors of fact, and 356 other errors. Every single material claim is wrong, and many of them are horribly, laughably wrong, as if not a single minute was spent on fact checking. I’ve written a 146-page critique of the video. View it here online as HTML
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
Or download the 5 Mb .doc file here
http://tinyurl.com/epp82
Note: the critique will be updated to reflect recent changes to “Loose Change 2nd Edition.”
In addition, my compilation of interviews “Loose Change Creators Speak” is often shocking in the disrespect it reveals for the victims of 9/11. (Korey Rowe appears in it primarily in the long excerpts from the Air America Phoenix interview.) View it here. http://tinyurl.com/s8ouv
You left in errors on purpose??? You’re just testing your audience to see if they’re paying attention?
Perhaps you could back up this statement, because frankly I don’t trust anything you say to be factual–you might just be testing me:
“That’s why we’ve turned down seven figures, more than once, from people looking to buy our film and put it in theaters”
Some interesting facts about the claims of the 9/11 “truth movement”
Not a single civil engineer (structural, construction or otherwise), fire engineer, forensic engineer, demolition expert, architect (with experience with steel framed buildings), materials scientist/mechanical engineer (with a background in building materials or methods) or construction contractor from anywhere in the world publicly supports them.
Of the approximately 20,000 who were in the WTC between the time of the 1st crash and the 2nd collapse only 4 (about 0.02%) publicly supports them. Three of them only spoke up after getting involved in a lawsuit, one of those (Rodriguez) contradicted earlier statements he had made. The 4th an EMT said she saw an airplane explode of NJ that morning.
The Zogby polls show the LOWER one’s educational level the MORE likely they are to believe them
I wanted to believe Mr. Mark Roberts comments and went to his site to see his point-by-point argument against the free, on-line video at http://www.loosechange911.com
I’m sorry, Mr. Roberts…
But your arguement sucks ass…
Loose Change 1, (attempt to rob)erts (the Truth)
Only one thing needs to be said to prove 9/11 was an inside job!
The owner of the World Trade Center’s lease, Silverstein, admitted on video that he gave the okay to “Pull” building Seven.
Now please go to controlled-demolition.com and let them tell you how long it takes to set up ONLY SIX FLOORS!
I will tell you what they say but check it out for yourself.
It takes months to drill 2,500 holes and 10 guys one week to load the explosives and pull the wires for ONLY SIX FLOORS.
Building seven was 47 floors and it fell seven hours after Silverstein gave the okay to “Pull” building seven.
Now that you know the TRUTH about building seven, watch it fall in slow motion, then watch the towers fall in slow motion.
Notice same squibb patterns?
I thought Debra Burlingame, the sister of the pilot killed on Flight 77 put it rather well:
“The only thing they seem to have gotten right about the September 11 attacks was the date on which they occurred.”
Please provide a refernce to where Silverstein said he gave the OK to “pull” building Seven. Why would he make such a comment to the head of the fire department? Why would the NYFD demo the building? Obviously he was refering to pulling the firefighters near 7 WTC
http://911myths.com/html/wtc7___silverstein.html
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
“I thought Debra Burlingame, the sister of the pilot killed on Flight 77 put it rather well:
“The only thing they seem to have gotten right about the September 11 attacks was the date on which they occurred.” ”
It sould be noted that the “they” she was refering to are the makers of Loose Change.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htm
I’m going to have to remain skeptical of this.
Two things particularly bother me here.
One is that they said they started this as a comedic action film. Huh?
The other is that they left errors in the film so that people would discredit them and then go on to do research for themselves.
Great. How are we supposed to believe the meat of the argument if they are telling us that some of the argument is intentionally false? Doesn’t that undermine the whole premise?
I mean I’d like to see the finished film, but when you leave openings like this people will call you a nut job.
I think we need factual and not conspiritorial.
A bit of an exaggeration and presumption to say that not a single engineer…..supports them. How would you know this? I have read comments from firemen and engineers over the past five years who doubt the official story of the collapse of the towers.
People are like sheep. There easily swayed and programmed. You can pick apart some of the theory but you cannont ignore the overwhelming evidince of complicity by the military and elements within the Bush regime. Maybe there is an underlying wish on the part of most skeptics that it not be true. It’s kind of like finding out that your father is a serial rapist and murderer. You do everything to deny it and condone it.
Bottom line, if it was not a conspiracy why didn’t heads roll over the serious ineptitude that allowed 3 commercial jets (or whatever you think they were) to slam in to 3 of the most important buildings in America without a single military jet reaching them to take them out? Some folks were not doing their jobs…and they are still in power!
Showtime wrote:
“A bit of an exaggeration and presumption to say that not a single engineer…..supports them. How would you know this? I have read comments from firemen and engineers over the past five years who doubt the official story of the collapse of the towers.”
Please cite any of these firemen or engineers. Note that in my original comment I said “Not a single civil engineer (structural, construction or otherwise), fire engineer, forensic engineer…materials scientist/mechanical engineer (with a background in building materials or methods)” So electrical engineers, aerospace engineers, agricultural engineers and mechanical engineers who specialize in dental fillings don’t count. Also note that I say PUBLICLY supports them. You can claim engineers in the US / West have been intimidated or some such BS, but what about engineers in Iran, Cuba or pre-invasion Iraq etc. Fetzer, founder of S911T, was so incensed by this lack of expert backing for his theories he said something about there being some “special place in hell” for structural engineers.
Some firemen did make comments at the time that some interpret as supporting the controlled demo theory but many of these were taken out of context http://www.debunking911.com/quotes.htm . See if you can find any post Sept. ‘01 comments from firemen stating they believe explosives were used. Note that Paul Isaac jr. isn’t and never was a real fireman or anywhere near the towers on the morning of 9-11. There is an EMT who claimed she heard explosions at WTC 6 but she also claims to have seen a plane explode over New Jersey http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110048.PDF#search=%22%22Patricia%20Ondrovic%22%22 pg. 7.
As for why the planes weren’t intercepted and why no one was punished it has to be remembered that is not the kind of threat the US’s air defenses were set up to defend against. The only plane they had a real chance of intercepting was flight 77, but intercepting a plane flying an erratic flight path with its transponder off in crowded air space isn’t so easy. By contrast it to about 80 minutes for a fighter already in the air to intercept Payne Stewart’s plane and it was flying in a straight line over uncrowded airspace (Iowa IIRC) and had it’s transponder on. There really was no hijack protocol because it had been over a decade since a plane was commandeered midair in US airspace.
Len
Yawn! Another BS conspiracy theory supported by half-truths and innuendo. This one doesn’t even pass the common sense test. It’s got more holes in it than a rusted screen door!
The only thing I want to know is why they didn’t take the time to completely go through the rubble? Wouldn’t this have been the perfect time for engineers to conduct a structural analysis of the building? It seems to me that it’s silly to think they didn’t use this opportunity to improve building safety because no one thought of it. Think about it. They always do an engineering study after every major air plane accident or train wreck to improve safety in the future. Why was 9/11 an exception to the rules? Why was the mangled steel hauled away without examination? Once someone can explain this to me I’ll side with the conspiracy buffs.
Why didn’t they “completely go through the rubble?” You’re kidding right? There were hundreds of thousands of tons of rubble you think they should have gone closely over all of it? Numerous teams including investigators from the American Society of Civil Engineers went over the debris from the trade center. The ASCE BPS selected several hundred pieces of structural steel for closer examination.
The collapses were the subjects of several studies most notably the ASCE/FEMA report and the NIST report. The latter including all supplemental reports comes out to several thousand pages.
Maybe you should look into the facts BEFORE you make silly commments
Conspiracy theorists all have one thing in common. But I won’t go there. Instead, I just want to say it sickens me that someone like you, living in the United States, enjoying the benefits of a democracy, including freedom of speech, would like to divert blame for the overwhelming tragedy that occured on 9/11 from the terrorist animals masquerading as humans, who committed this crime, to the US Government.
The loose change video is unmitigated crap from start to finish, nothing but a collection of nonsense from internet conspiracy sites without a single piece of independent research.
Worse than that, it gets every single alleged “fact” wrong. It is dishonest and disgusting in its portrayal of the victims, their families, the firefighters, and everyone else it comments about.
The kids that put this together should hang their heads in shame.
Unlike the kids who created the loose (with the truth) change video, Mr. Roberts’ work is factual and first rate.
Take a look at what Rowe and Avery and Bermas have to say in their own words that shows their utter disregard for the truth and mocking contempt for the victims of the September 11 tragedy here:
http://tinyurl.com/s8ouv
It’s truly disgusting.
Then see these:
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
http://tinyurl.com/epp82
Educate yourself.
Message to Len,
WTF are you talking about?
I graduated from the Randells Island FDNY in after “95″ after taking the course for The FDNY Auxiliary Fire Corps NYS/NYC Civil Defense. We were Trained by Lt Willaim Barrett RTO.
My first assignemen was Engine Company 207 TFS on tilleray st Bklyn under Captain Charles Phaye in 95/96 afterwards I was running with Engine 294 under Captain Richard Rotanz (Deputy Diector of OEM on 9-11 at WTC 7) I am trained by FEMA Via FDNY in Radiological monitoring and am a trained Watchstander.
In 98/99 I ran with Engine 10 WTC under Captain Eugen Kelty.
I was an NYPD Auxiliary Police Officer#12017-438136 REG# 61 Pct / 17PCT.
I am now involved with the spooky hunter operation looking at disinformation producers like yourself there Len as well as the kiddieporn freaks wingtv and the jewbasher turned narc Dylan avery who everyone seems so facinated with.
“The last time ACT-0 was called was in 1903″ ?
better one ” The Empire state building was hit by a B-52″ ?
I love how everyone keeps quoting the Wingtv article from last years anniversary even thought its been confirmed as Bullsh*t.
I support the truth but There are spooks within the movement.
So len get your story straight there buddy, you’re looking like an ass.
An yes I was at the towers right by the mayors office at BWY and Park Row when the N/T and operated there and near there at West and W Houston at the NYPD THV Command with PD Dep Chief Ginn and Dep Insp Mcarthy and Dep Chief Esposito and many many more who will confirm my presence there, spookie.
So get a grip or someone will get a grip on you.
Have a nice day
Paul Isaac Jr (Sentinel)
Paul,
Perhaps I was mistaken about you and owe you an apology. Maybe you can clear up some doubts I have. You object to my statement that you weren’t a “real fireman” or “near the towers on the morning of 9-11”
REAL FIREMAN?
You were (are?) an “auxiliary” firefighter. I searched in vain on the Internet and the NYFD site for any relevant information about NYFD auxiliary firefighters. The only reference I found for ‘ “Auxiliary fireman” OR “Auxiliary firefighter” +NYFD [ http://tinyurl.com/erbk3 ] that wasn’t for the sale of WWII era memorabilia or referring to you was a posting on a forum it described “auxiliary fire fighter” as a “civilian contractor accredited to the NYFD”. Why do you suppose that is? Can you explain what the role/responsibilities of auxiliary firemen are? During your period as an “auxiliary” firefighter did you ever enter a burning building? Do you think regular NYFD firefighters would consider you a “real fireman”? If you no longer are with the NYFD what caused you to leave?
NEAR THE TOWERS?
I based my statement that you weren’t near the Trade Center that morning on an article I read about a year ago which IIRC stated you were at home in Brooklyn monitoring your NYFD and NYPD scanners, IIRC this article was based on an interview with you. Is my recollection or the article incorrect?
When I referred to “the morning of 9-11” I meant specifically the critical period from 8:46 to 10:28 between when the North Tower was hit by flight 11 and it collapsed. This fits with the statement from my earlier post that I was interested in “the approximately 20,000 (people) who were in the WTC between the time of the 1st crash and the 2nd collapse”. According to what is supposedly a statement from you, you were “blocks away…aproaching City Hall (when) the North Tower began the collapse” [ http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61418 note I only found this after seeing your post here]. So it seems you weren’t close to the towers before they collapsed, you aren’t among the group of people I was referring to. You said here that you were “at the towers right by the mayors office at BWY and Park Row when the N/T and operated there and near there at West and W Houston” I assume you meant you were at City Hall (Park Row and B’way) when the North Tower collapsed this contradicts your earlier statement but still leaves you a few thousand feet away, please clarify. It should also be noted for those not familiar with the geography of Manhattan that your second location was well over a mile away from where the towers once stood.
Len
First I’d like to send my condolences to families and freinds and co-waorkers of the two firemen (Lt & Probie) killed at BOX 2797 the Bronx on sunday. This job is more than a job its a family. GOD Bless them.
Now, If you anywhere near the 1368ft and 1362ft towers 1 quarter mile high Mere blocks away it wouldn’t have been far enough after seeing them come down. The buildings were enormouse to say the least.
So calculate 1 quarter mile and maybe tow to three blocks and try to see what the people and I saw that morning at Park Row and BWY.
The Zsamansky article is twisted There was a part in which he stated the fuel tanks were “water tanks.” I was on the north Bound N line train at about the same time as the south tower when the train was rushed by the passengers on the paltform. I was not aware of the circumstance till about 14 st then I got off at 42st. I had my scanner always on my person because I am an advocate of full spectrum awareness for first responders. I operated during my term with E10 with it and kept stressing to Captain now Chief Kelty the need for first responders to have the edge knowing what is occuring with the other first responders.
Now after 9-11 I am working towards that objective.
My work at ground zero initialy was trying to get everyone on the same page, but its kind of hard to do that when all hell is braking loose around you. So at about 1600hrs I was transfered to THV West and W.houston to work with the above mentioned Chief and Dep insp. I can say that it worked and I have alot of friends because of it.
The FDNY Auxiliary Fire Corps along with NYPD Auxiliary Police is Civil Defense under the New York State Emergency Defense Act 1951. We are the “Nuclear Sentinels”.
The FDNY is a governemnt agency like all others with its own politics. We are fighting to regroup our members back to way it was during the time we were recognized as an actual entity of the job.
But, because of coruption and money squandering they thought they were above the law and decided that we didn’t need to be an officially recognized for our work, especially after 9-11.
I will be at GZ in inuform as a sign of respect and as a sign of protest for the blatent treatment that we have to endure because of the corruption.
Sentinel
I want to first send out condolenses to the families friends and co-workers of the LODD of the LT and Fire Probie who were lost at Box 2797 in the Bronx on sunday. May they find peace. GOD Bless.
Now, I don’t know if thios is true but I noticed that my statements are no longer posted. So I’ll go over it again. I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the secontower was hit. I was ther at proximity to see the 20 floor gash in WTC 7. The WTC building was listing south about 20 degrees. Regarding my current status with the FDNY I am civil Defense volunteer not paid civil servant. We fall under the NYS Emergency Defense Act orf 1951. I am trained as watchstander FWD Sigint. I monitor NY/NJ/LI transpotation First Responder Communications as well as transportation and security networks. The FDNY is political as all other NYC agencies and has its ups and downs.
Now regarding Loosechange: They are frauds and admitted snitches like our buddy Korey who seems to have a problem with telling the truth. He told the veterans for 9-11 truth that he got a nasty threatening letter for copyright infringment from the naudet brothers lawyers “they could be disbarred for it” he says. Yet on this interview he states that paramount was offering seven figures for Loosechange movie, which by the way, he states they have purposely put dis-information “on purpose.” He admits to veterans for 9-11 truth that they were actually threatening the copyright lawyers represent paramount pictures by posting the naudet brother s contact information and having the LC idiot goons send threats. He states in the same interview that he even went to the point of blackmail stating that “if they wanted the threats to stop, then stop the lawsuit.”
Now, he states that when he finnished his tour of duty after Iraq he returned home to work on setting up and fixing stuff, yet, on the original Loosechange corporate page he is listed as going AWOL and joining dylans cause. Then they changed the website to remove the statement made by dylan.
See how they protected wingtv from the LC Extra? They are definately in co-hoots with the co-intel agents just check out steww webbs bushes nazi goons and see for yourself. Did you know wingtv promotes kiddie porn? Whta does the blow up doll have to do with 9-11 truth? What does a boys first wet dream have to do with 9-11 truth? These people are liers to the highest degree.
Sentinel
Paul,
In your reply (comment) to my reply to “showtime” (just about in the middle of the page) you wrote:
“I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the secontower was hit”
Did you mean to write “I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the second tower COLLAPSED”? Or are you now claiming to have gotten to the area much sooner than you have previously? Assuming the former can you tell us exactly where you were when 1 WTC (the North Tower) collapsed? If the later is the case please explain the discrepancy.
As to the first point I’ve raised that so upset you nothing you have said (IMHO) really indicates that auxiliary firefighters are ‘real’ firefighters as most people would define them, do you dispute this?
As to the second I’m willing to concede I was partially in error and that you probably were in the vicinity of the towers that morning (starting around 10:30) but assuming that your statement above was made in error you don’t seem to be disputing my contention that you were not in the WTC complex between the time of the impacts and the collapses, is that right?
I have asked you straight forward questions, I would appreciate straight forward answers as an added advantage they would boost your credibility.
Len
This is a duplicate of a post I made in the middle of the page, but the text cameout illegibly small (at least on my screen)
Paul,
In your reply (comment) to my reply to “showtime” (just about in the middle of the page) you wrote:
“I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the secontower was hit”
Did you mean to write “I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the second tower COLLAPSED”? Or are you now claiming to have gotten to the area much sooner than you have previously? Assuming the former can you tell us exactly where you were when 1 WTC (the North Tower) collapsed? If the later is the case please explain the discrepancy.
As to the first point I’ve raised that so upset you nothing you have said (IMHO) really indicates that auxiliary firefighters are ‘real’ firefighters as most people would define them, do you dispute this?
As to the second I’m willing to concede I was partially in error and that you probably were in the vicinity of the towers that morning (starting around 10:30) but assuming that your statement above was made in error you don’t seem to be disputing my contention that you were not in the WTC complex between the time of the impacts and the collapses, is that right?
I have asked you straight forward questions, I would appreciate straight forward answers as an added advantage they would boost your credibility.
Len
The term “real firemen” means absolutley nothing.
Does the term “Auxiliary” mean fake or does it mean “supplimental”
Would the fire department put “Fake firemen” to operate with “real firemen”?
Does the term “Civil Defense” mean anything?
Or is it that everyone is so stuck on the hero worship that anything that disputesd their personal beliefs that they automatically become hostile and insulting about trivial word play?
Something to think about when inquiring about people ready to give 100% for the people.
I was present at BWY and Park Row when the second tower collapsed. I ran from 42st back to the trade center. I passed the trade cented on my way to work on the N&R lines at courtland st (WTC) after the second tower S/T was reported by the passengers who rushed the train I was on.
I ran back because E10 L10 Liberty st was my former quarters 98-99. As I reached BWY & Park Row the second tower collapsed. I then made my way to the tower location after the cloud disapated and began with the bucket brigade. I had my scanner but there were problems coordinating full spectrum awareness on the scene. I was then transported to west st and w.houston to work with the above people around 1600hrs. I operated GZ/The pile/The pit for approx 3/4 weeks till the Volunteers were removed.
Stock provissions
Have a nice day
Paul Isaac Jr (Sentinel)
Correction: that was supposed to say after the S/T was impacted.
Take care
Sentinel
I sit my imagination or did this guy say he is a “Military Informant” ?
What does that mean hes a snitch like dylan avery who on the SF/indymedia website made the statement that he called the Hatecrimes branch of the RMCP? While at the same time using anti-semitic statement about both jews and muslims?
Does Korey about the statement made by dylan on SF/Indymedia thankgiving against our military forces fighting in Iraq, check it out for yourself Google lgf; “thanksgiving lgf style” post 81 or 83.
Funnny how someone feels the way he did about our military fighting forces and yet pals around with a army verteran.
Then again, someone who openly admitts to threatening lawyers isn’t all that bright anyway. Especially when they try and make people believe they were being offered a seven figure deal from paramount studio when in fact the were threatening to sue you for copyright infringment for seven figures.
I for one am not surprised being I’ve been calling attention to the theaft of my materail regarding the Keyspan Maspeth Holder Tank Demo that these idiots stole from me under false pretenses. They had me believing they weren’t connected to “jason the jerkoff” then dylan reniged on the deal so as to protect Wingtv for their behavior at Ground Zero.
Thats why you only see me rather than wingtv using racial and anti emitic slurs at GZ. I have the unedited tape show wingtvs victor the child porno pusher aka Denver cointel snitch collaborating with dylan stating “they weren’t there to cause trouble”. Yet if you google Village Voice “conspiracy theorist invade ground zero” by sarah ferguson, you’ll see exactly what these people represent.
They don’t represent anything but criminal exploition and the mocking of the families at ground zero which is proven by Korey Rowe when he states that the purposely kept known disinformation on the LC movie.
Thereby proving he is a disinformation agent.
This from a guy who is reported on the original company page by his own so-called friend that “he went AWOL from the army so he could join the cause”
Can anyone say spook?
Sentinel
Len,
My credibilty has been earned on the battlefield.
Its your credility that is in question when you make statements that had me come here in the first place, my friend.
My E-mail address is all over the Inter-net and you should givin the respect to contact me first before making speculative remarks about the AfC Civil Defense Corps or my credibility.
See, there are spooks playing both sides of the isle.
Whats you background and what have you done to better our present condition?
Sentinel
I watched Loose Change some time ago. I never knew anything about the so called intentional errors, left in to encourage people to do their own research. But I did my own research anyway and reached my own conclusion : That is one great steaming pile of crap you’ve got there, Korey. I defy anyone to distinguish your “intentional” errors from amongst the error mountain you have constructed. Someone offered you seven figures for this garbage and you didn’t take it? You fool. Just think, if you had that money you could spend longer on your next production, doing useful things like checking facts.
http://www.liberalforum.org/blog/entry.php?u=naughtYmike&e_id=457
Websties DEBUNKING The LIES OF 9-11 “TRUTH†PEDDLERS
http://www.debunking911.com/ironburns.htm
http://911myths.com (collections of information)
http://www.billstclair.com/ferran (personal account)
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com (video, photos) and documents
Lol. the truth will find everyone’s ears. You idiot’s trying to debunk alternative theories that have only been put forth because the “official” story doesn’t hold shit. There are near hundreds of “coincidence’s” to debunk. The only reason your trying to debunk them is because we were lied to in the first place.
“There are near hundreds of “coincidence’s” “, that should have been: “There are nearly a hundred “coincidences” ” or “There are hundreds of “coincidences” “. “You idiot’s trying†should not have been with apostrophe s either, “your trying†no “you’re trying†this is 1st grade English. Why should we take the claims of a barely literate poster who can not cite any evidence seriously?
The reason we are debunking these claims is that they are total BS. As Chomsky, Corn and others point this crap plays right into hands of Bush, Rove and the rest of the Neo-Cons. It obscures their real misdeeds and makes their critics look like wackos. It makes moderate voters less likely to vote against the Republicans and leftist voters more likely to vote for third party candidates rather than the Democrats.
Before loose change, I thought that all the conspiracy theories were just a bunch of crap, but this film changed that. I know that not all of the things in this movie are real, for instance when they show the “explosions” at the WTC as the building fell, that could easily be debris shooting out the windows. At any rate, some of this movie is actually very intriguing and frightening. The movie makes you think, that’s what this film is supposed to do, it makes people think. It allows people to see real things, listen to opinions, and decide for themselves what is true and what is not…hence “for your consideration” at the beginning of the film. The movie doesn’t try and force things apon you, it simply gives you evidence and you are supposed to draw that evidence to a conclusion. To me, the most interesting piece was that of the pentagon, the streetlights, the explosions, the hole left there and the film given out for public viewing. This movie is interesting and captivating and it scares you to your core because it makes you wonder whether or not this really could have happened. One thing that offsets any evidence, in my mind, is if this whole theory is true, then where are the people on the planes?
Anyway, a good movie and definitely worth watching.
Links to sites that completely debunk the movie can be found in this thread, as a work of propaganda its quite successful as a piece of journalism its crap. Pseudo-documentary is the best way to describe it. It is interesting to note that similar percentages of the population believe Elvis is still alive and that bombs were planted in the towers. I wonder how much overlap there is?
And its Korey Rowe and his retard gang trying to abuse the fact that Americans are sheep to pull a political agenda. The few arguments that are made in Loose Change that aren’t blatantly inaccurate are instead so obviously incomplete that it is obvious their only purpose is to mislead.
You’ll see things like pictures posted of “the hole” in the Pentagon where the 747 crashed into it… and yet you look at the other pictures presented in that video, and you can’t find the hole… Oh wait, there it is! It’s on the second floor! In fact what they show is less than 1/4 the size of the actual hole! And the bottom of their picture is cut off and cropped to look all grayish and fuzzy, like the ground looked in front of the Pentagon.
There are a thousand obvious attempts to mislead the viewers, because they assume the American sheep will believe every word they say. You can just look at the evidence they put forth and see how easily it contradicts itself.
“Not only is Loose Change not 100% accurate, it is 100% inaccurate.” It is pretty impressive the amount of time and attention to detail it must have taken to create this guys website and yet the first line is a fully qualified exaggeration in itself. Dont know about anyone else but I do photos and vid evidence. Passenger jet, no wing or engine marks on the walls of the pentagon for example.
The United States government pulls off the biggest conspiracy in the history of humanity and then doesn’t silence the Loose Change people? That makes sense.
These claims that Bush was actually behind 9/11 are wrong…
Just take the claim that the building couldn’t have collapsed as fast at it did. Well, I re-enacted the collapse of building using dominoes. I removed the 7th level of a 10-level tower of dominoes, without touching the other floors, and the whole thing went down in free fall. No controlled demolition at all.
I did not even use fire! The impact of my hand hitting the seventh floor was enough to collapse the domino tower.
Also, as my tower of dominos collapsed, I noticed stuff happening on the lower levels. Probably this was debris shooting out “windows”.
So once again the conpiracy theorists are dead wrong.
r u serious? i really hope ur not serious…dominoes? ur gonna check the claim of the world trade center falling by using dominoes? DOMINOES?? brah…go find somethin else to do in your free time….ridiculous…
u people think the gov is not capable of doing this? check our past, we are NOT the good guys we claim to be…
What Debra Burlingame also said about Loose Brains
“They aren’t truth-tellers looking to save the world,” she says. “They’re con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars.”
Loose change is NOT a scam. it is all real video. so stop being selfish americans and realize what our government did to us. There are too many facts to show that the US is a part of this. and that is why everyone needs to realize what could happen in the future
I wouldn’t say that LC is a scam or that it isn’t real but the filmakers very deifinately played fast and loose with the facts
Be sure to check out the book “Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory” due out in March by Dr. David Ray Griffin.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781566566865&itm=2
http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Mechanics-Defenders-Conspiracy/dp/156656686X/sr=1-4/qid=1168895874/ref=sr_1_4/102-3028549-2492937?ie=UTF8&s=books
If Griffin’s level of research is as poor as was the case with his previous books and articles I woundn’t expect it to prove much.
You can watch Larry Silverstein admit to “pulling” WTC 7 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNEoiOP76QQ
yes.. i admit it.. i did it..
I was at one of the steel facilities that is working on the Freedom Towers just last week and I asked one of the fellas (Supervisor - name withheld) in the covered outdoor area what he thought happened to the steel in the Trade Towers on 9/11 and he said that he felt “the fuel from the planes could have been hot enough to weaken the beams and cause a pancake collapse…”
This gentleman has worked on steel for about 20 years, he told me.
I’ll take his word for it… I just have a problem with the fact that 3 steel buildings came down the same day in this country when NO other steel building has come down by fire alone.
There are definitely huge holes in the 9/11 commission report and the government could squash a huge part of this conspiracy theory if they would but let us see video of the pentagon.
There should be nothing to hide, so why are they.
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Ask him if he finished high school physics. A wtc pancake collapse CANNOT occur in 9.2 seconds.
Absolutely impossible.
Hundreds of sims have been done since - it’s physically and mathematically impossible.
American apathy will allow this obvious demolition become another JFK whodunnit.
Americans might have doubt, but the other 95% of this planets people have no doubt.
It’s a rather sad commentary on the state of science and math education in the U.S. that even a few people can be fooled by such a blatant fraud as “Loose Change” and similar scams, so riddled with pseudoscience, half-truths and outright lies that anyone who ever took a science course should be rolling on the floor, howling at this adolescent drivel.
It’s hard to believe that these clowns can generate so much confusion just by (purposely, I’m certain) confusing the melting point of steel with the much, much lower temperature at which it softens and fails, structurally. Any fire web site reveals that the average temperature of most office fires (not even accelerated by 20,000 gallons of av fuel) is more than enough to cause steel beams and connectors to fail — and, contrary to their claims, it happens all the time, as any Google search will reveal. Catastrophic failures like 9-11 are seldom seen because generally you don’t see 120-ton planes slicing through main support columns, along with the fire, and because most office fires are minimized by sprinklers, and can be actively fought by firemen — something the plane strike made impossible.
Nonetheless, we keep hearing the same old nonsense that av gas burns at low temperatures, steel doesn’t “melt” in that range, etc., etc. — because the con men know there’s a continuous supply of poorly-educated, gullible people who’ll fall for this fecal stew of paranoia.
The “no-plane” claims are even dumber, considering the hundreds of witnesses to the Pentagon strike (names easily available online, for the curious), not to mention the easily-findable photos of landing gear, engine parts, seats and body parts, including several of burned bodies still strapped into their seats, about 50 feet inside the Pentagon. The conspiracy boobs often misrepresent the Pentagon photos (frequently labeling the small round inner hold as the initial impact site), and never show the clearer photos where you can see the damage the wing & tail sections did to the outer stone facing of the Pentagon.
For most rational people, a quick check of the credentials (if any) of the so-called “experts” on the conspiracy team would give pause: a fired Physics professor who refuses to sumit his theories for peer review or publication; a fired “engineer” who neglects to mention that her lifelong specialty was designing DENTAL bridges; an electrical engineer who usually leaves out the “electrical” part in his credentials; and a couple of theologians (!) who run a good part of the “truth movement.” Plus an assorted cast of professional conspiracy pimps who’ve been selling books & commercial airtime for decades, for whatever conspiracy “sells” this month: JFK & RFK plots, the Zionist & Freemason conspiracies, Trilateralist/Jewish banker cabals, the old standby “NASA faked the moon landing,” and several different “aliens walk among us” fairy tales.
If one wishes to believe there was some giant government conspiracy involving thousands of disparate agencies and people, both military and civilian, in the mass murder and coverup, there are plenty of people willing to lie to you and feed your frenzy. However, it does take a gigantic suspension of disbelief — very similar to religious zealotry — on your part to actually swallow this drivel.
enjoy military prison bitch……
Even Loose Change’s limp wristed half-truth hangout was too much for the government censors. If Corey Rowe was facing to much trouble anyway it’s too bad he tried to deny what was really Up and Up.
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“…According to Rowe, Army officials at Fort Drum, where Rowe was held for a day and a half, seemed uninterested in the case until their phone lines were incinerated by a barrage of calls from listeners who responded to our call to action yesterday morning.
It was at that point that officials checked into Rowe’s record and immediately confirmed that he had received an honorable discharge and told Rowe he was free to leave, and even offered to pay his way to get back to New York. They were baffled as to why a warrant would be out for his arrest when he had clearly been given permission to leave the Army in 2005….”
Wow, looks like the misinformation machine is on full spin mode. I recommend the guy who claims to have found hundreds of errors in the film turn his sites on the official sham for a minute and see where the truly flawed logic is. But hey, if you think buildings can collapse at free-fall speeds, and that tower 7 wasn’t imploded, and that thermate by-products and telltales weren’t really collected at all three sites, and that numerous tapes and statements of the explosions are false, then I hope you have fun in your la-la land. The evidence in this film should give any reasonable person pause.
“Sit in that chair until you reenlist”….LOL, you’re hilarious. I’m sure that’s what happened. They “made” you sit in a chair for, what is that you claimed, a week? Whatever dude, you’re an attention whore. I’m watching your theory get dismantled right now on the History Channel. Wait, the History Channel is “in on it” too right? Maybe the rest of the military can take your stance as an excuse to run away from a deployment. You could have just said, “I’m done with the soldier thing, I’d like to take my chances as a civilian. Reenlistment? No thanks.”. Instead you tried to justify it with some wack theory that makes absolutely no sense at all. AT ALL. Hilarious bunch you are!
Im from Syracuse NY. Not far from Oneonta Ny where your from Korey. I just watched the show on the History Channel and ive never been so embarrassed in my life. To have this Boy from Central NY go on tv and totally make an ass of himself. Nothing that you brought up in the show had any backing from experts. Everything you said was Debunked. You made a fool of yourself and the people of New York.(Central ny and the southerntier) And people from here are asshamed of you. 7 figures huh? You are a fool. You state up above that what bothers you about the American Public is the bullshit they will believe on TV. Yet you want the American Public to believe this stupid little film that you did that started out as a joke. Well you made it. Your a joke. Who’s really dumping the BULLSHIT KOREY?
I live in central NY and i watched the special on the History Channel tonight. Korey stated that the trouble with the American Public is that they believe all the bullshit on TV. All i can say is THANK GOD we have TV. That way Shows like the one that was on tonight can debunk these stupid Conspiracy Theories. I think Korey, Dylan And Jason made absolute fools of themselves on tv. And as for ALEX JONES. I think hes a big Drama Queen who wants to be on TV and needs the attention because there’s abviously something missing in his life. Talk about a joke. That man takes the cake. All of you need to get a life. Thank God for men like Jim Meigs and David Coburn From Popular Mechanics who come on a show with the facts, the truths and the experts too back it all up. We need these kind of people to put these stupid conspiracy theories too rest once and for all.
Russ Wittenburg : “[Flight 77] could not possibly have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into a high speed stall”
Typical debunker : “Yes, Wittenburg is a pilot. He is also a conspiracy theorist who does not believe that ANY aircraft hit the Pentagon, which makes him stupid or insane. Too bad, because his former co-workers were on that plane. I wonder what he thinks happened to them. He believes a missile hit the Pentagon. He has not produced a single piece of evidence to back that belief. He has not attempted to account for the dozens of eyewitnesses who saw the crash. He also believes that the other 3 flights were not piloted by Arabs, because they wouldn’t have the skills. I believe that Russ Wittenburg wouldn’t have the skills to be an investigator.”
Translation : If you don’t believe what you are told to believe then you are “stupid or insane” and you can’t ask questions because asking questions is disrespectful to your co-workers and a debunker never answers the specific question when they can throw trash instead.
Do you think that with the steel softening gradually, as it gets hotter, the tower that was hit in one corner would have failed by tipping off to one side (i.e. towards the weak corner)? How can damage to one corner plus SLOW softening of the steel lead to SUDDEN total failure ACROSS THE ENTIRE FLOOR ?
This was not a case of a few critical steel bolts popping and letting the floor drop. There were multiple vertical steel columns set into the concrete so each column would have to soften and “sag” down as it bends under the weight. Thus, the collapse should have taken much longer to complete and fallen far, far off-centre.
The other thing I can’t understand about the pancake theory is why the radio mast at the very top was the first thing to start falling. How did that mast have enough weight to pancake the floor below it? The top few floors and the mast would have just stayed rigidly together all the way down — no fire and no impact damage around the top few floors. What detached the radio mast from the building structure?
Korey Rowe went AWOL. I served with him in the Army. He left twice. He cleaned his barracks room and left his equipment and even left a note saying he “was forced” to go AWOL because he couldn’t get chaptered out for failing several urinalisis test.(drug test).
And for this stupid ass movie they made, I call B.S. It seems everyone has forgotten about THE TWO BIG ASS PLANES that hit the buildings. Dumbass
“Thank you for clarifying your position. I see now that you are indeed a very reasonable person, and you are on the verge of understanding the error in your thinking. I will continue to try and help, please feel free to ask any questions.”
And then he replies like so:
“I’d like to thank you and every other higher than thou on the board blind as hell to the corruption being perpitrated against America and it citizens by rogue politions who by the way nevr consider putting their children on the front lines of the insane Operation Iraqi Liberation sacm.
I’d like to ask you, how many of you have family in the war and did you have to buy them equipment they should have already had.
Where did the 87 billion (with a big B) Go?
Why are a NG forces being cut off from military medical care as soon as they hit state side?
Its ok to be a patriot just don’t walk around with your head up you’re derrier blind as a bat.
Oooh, and for the disbelievers Why did John “Jeb” Bush coincidently put the state of Florida on alert on September 7th 2001 and isn’t coincidentle that his brother was totally aware the 9-11 was on screen when no other state was?
And the fact that he was in florida the day we lost 3000 people to a preventable terrorist event and lead us into a distraction from the WOT?
The reason we really went to Iraq qas to prevent Saddam from making a profit on the Oil in Euros instead of Dollars.
Heres a trick question I know you’ll refuse to answer: where did the Gold go below WTC4?
And what about the Swiss Nazi Gold that was supposed to be paid out to the Hollocaust victims in those Nazi Camps.
Funny how the people in the towers were ordered to return to the offices even after the people in the know knew there was a pre-known attack aimed at the towers.
Carl Roves Grandfather was alledged to have been a nazi regional commander. Bushes grandfather was a Nazi Collaborator. Swartzenegger fathers was connected to the Nazis.
Hitler had a working plan to hit NYC skyscrappers with suicide pilots even before Pearl Harbor. The Rockefeller Family through Standard oil of NJ were half owners of IG Farben which created the Zyklon B and were responsible for the WTC Project that coincidently were hit by Planes as like the Hitler project were three thousand innocent victims were sacrifised for the profit of the few.
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There is an absolutely wonderful site named Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth Their web address is ae911truth..org They are a group of professionals in the process of reopening the investigation.
There are over 350 of them with more joining every day. Many of them are involved in erecting buildings as incredible as those of the WTC.
They do not dispute that there was a terrorist attack, nor do I. What they do dispute is that the original investigators left out far too much important evidence, and that they had too close a Purse-String-Attachment to the Powers that be.
Buildings do not have to be Hard-Wired for demolition in our modern age. Support Girders can be quickly strapped with High Impact Explosives and the Demolition can be carried out remotely. There are very few teams in the World that have the knowledge and technical training to do this kind of Demolition.
Before any of you continue your name-calling back and forth or stand on your political soap box, you owe it to the families of the victims and honor of the victims to visit the site I mentioned above. You owe it to your country to take a close look at the evidence these concerned professionals present you with.
Original Film taken on 911 shows Squib detonators firing off at 40 stories below the area of where the fire is as the building begins its collapse. Several films show these Squib explosions. The original investigators gave their explanation of this, I’ll get to that in the next few paragraphs.
Squibs are the main cutting element used on Support Girders that bear the Main Load of any high-rise or skyscraper when it is being demolished. They are small explosive devices that cut at an extremely high temperature.
Squibs are always strapped at an angle around the Vertical Steel Support Girder in order to create the necessary sliding effect, otherwise the girder may end up standing in place even though its been cut.
Look at the photos of the surviving load bearing girders taken at the site. They are all sheared at the same angles. Jet Fuel cannot reach temperatures hot enough to cut Girders. It burns somewhere around 1700 degrees Fahrenheit. Another 1000 degrees is needed to melt steel or cut it.
I am not saying that a Girder needs to melt in order for it to lose its strength, but it needs to get close to that temperature in order to be cut and the original photos of the Cuts showing on that day, leave no doubt.
The main thing to look at on their site are the Squib explosions going off ahead of the mass as it begins tumbling down. There is no doubt that these are explosions.
The investigative team with the purse-string attachments tried to explain these explosions as a natural phenomena effect of air being forced down from the mass above and blowing out the windows on the floors below.
That sounds good, but if you look, you see that this is not just glass exploding outward, it also has black smoke and other debris. Where there is smoke there is fire. But the Fire is 40 stories above these Squib explosions.
It’s in plain view and the Squib explosions are descending ahead of the mass in synchronicity firing as they go.
This investigation needs to be reopened by Congress, approved by Congress and a Watch Dog Committee needs to be appointed by Congress to watch the Investigators.
Go see the site ae911truth.org All of These Architects and Engineers have signed the petition to reopen the investigation and they also list their addresses and show their credentials on the site. Everything is above-board.
They have nothing to gain from this other than keeping their own integrity as real Patriots to our Country and doing what any responsible Human Being would do. They have no political agenda and are willing to be of service to all of us at getting at the truth. Let’s not pass up the opportunity.
Norman G. A Concerned Citizen.
I have a rule of thumb. I read everything and anything - and all that’s been put here. But where I seen comments that attempt to silence their opponents with ridicule, swearing and other bad tempered abuse - and most likely under a pseudonom - then I know their argument is most likely bad. Not always - I know - but a good rule of thumb. Meanwhile those that carefully try to answer and explain each point with precision and patience - and give their real name or contact details - well, they may or may not be right - but at least I would trust them. Therefore - in my humble opinion - those querying the truth of 9/11 are those I would most tend to trust. The others - I just have to ask myself - who are they? What’s their real game?
I’ve watch some infromation from loose cannon. It does not surprise when accept infromation that is put out by our government. As it is said the US government can’t keep secrets. This does seem to be true when one party needs something it’s always gets leaked out. Is there anyone out there who can tell me how is it that nothing is ever been leaked about Bush’s “skull” organisation that a number of our top leaders are in. It does seem to me they can keep there mouth shut when it’s in there interest.
Did Rudy say something wrong?
“… the reason Pier 92 was selected as a command center was because on the next day, on September 12, Pier 92 was going to have a drill, it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office, and they were getting ready for a drill for biochemical attack. So that was gonna be the place they were going to have the drill. The equipment was already there, so we were able to establish a command center there, within three days, that was two and a half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center. And it was from there that the rest of the search and rescue effort was completed.” Major questions exist as to why FEMA would deny being in New York City prior to 9/11 without mentioning the 9/12 bioterror drill. These questions must now be addressed as the initial suspicions of those who learned of the Tom Kenney statement have been clearly validated. The coincidental presence of a large FEMA team in NYC at the location, Pier 92, which became the Command Center for the entire emergency operation is disturbing. An alert press and a legitimate 9-11 Commission should have raised this issue long ago. [Scoop]
“For months, we had in place an exercise in which we’d drill on our responseto a bio/chem attack, specifically practicing for the distribution of medication. The planned date: Wednesday, september 12. We had stored much of the materials for THAT DRILL at pier 92. Pier 92 offered 125.000 square feet of open space and easy transportation to and from Ground Zero by way of boat and the Westside Highway. Moreover, Because IT WAS ALREADY IN USE BY THE MILITARY, the points of access were relatively easy to guard. Richie told me he’d pulled his OEM guys to start setting up pier 92 as a command center. My most optimistic expectation would have been that even a rudimentary replacement for the felled center at 7 world trade would be seven to ten days. By saturday morning, we held our fist meeting.”
Page 355
Leadership-Rudolph W Giuliani
Kenney: “We’re currently one of the first teams that was deployed to support the city of New York for THIS DISASTER. We arrived on late Monday night, and went into action on Tuesday morning. And not until today did we get a full opportunity to work the entire site.”
(Tom Kenny MASS- FEMA/USAR) Sept 13, 2001
“Normally, the department would thorughly familiar with the FEMA programs,but the authorities on the national Urabn Search and Rescue programs–Chief Ray Downey, Commissioner Feehan, and Chief Donal Burns– are all missing.” (Author)
Page 202 Report From Ground Zero (Dennis Smith)
“On the third night we had a guy arrested who followed ONE OF THE Urban Search and Rescue Teams. He had an orange jump suit on with a backpack, and he was wearing a helmet that said Rescue across the back. He had a book of some kind and followed one team and broke off from them after they were. He did a little shopping in the stores down on the concourse. Someone else tried to accompany ANOTHER USAR team down, but it leader was a pretty sharp guy from MASSACHUSETTS (Tom Kenny). “This guy is not one of ours,” he said.” You may want to check him out,” We called one of our cops over and found a ton of watches and cell phones in his backpack. They arrested him”
Page 164
FDNY Assistant Chief of Department
Harry Meyers
Report from Ground Zero
(Dennis Smith)
“We got there TWENTY MINUTES after the towers came down and Parked on the other side of City Hall. Someone brings us an ESU officer who was wandering. We put him our truck for accountability purposes. Behind his eyes you could see he was really shaken up, he would just look at you. We said, “you’re all right. Your with us now.”
All he answered is “They came down.” I said, “I Know they came down.” We staged by the Woolworth Building and get a roster of who is missing and who is not. We then go to stuyvesant High School and from there to ground zero, where we see what kind of equipment we can salvage. FEMA WAS ACTIVATED, AND THEY SHOWED UP WITH EQUIPMENT THAT HAD TO BE STACKED.”
NYPD Police Officer Anita Rosato
Emergency Services Unit, Truck 10
Page 126 Report from Ground Zero
(Dennis Smith FDNY Ret)
Day 2 September 12:
“Later as it begins to get dark…”
“I see the first squad of Urban Search and Rescue Teams pass by and I know they are specially prepared, equipped, and paid by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.” (Author)
Page 198 Report From Ground Zero (Dennis Smith)
“Some of them HAVE ALREADY ARRIVED, for I saw the group from Seattle and another from Texas, all in very identifiable dark blue coveralls, with the initials USAR in large letters across their backs. Each team includes about fifty men and womenn specially trained in rescue work.” (Author)
Page203 Report From Ground Zero (Dennis Smith)
Paul Isaac (Sentinel)
Century X-66
“The Chief of london by rule of America,The Island of Scotland shall be be tempered by frost,Kings an Priest shall have one,who is a false Antichrist.Who will put them altogether in discord”. British and American leaders united in a political venture, shall set up a dictator, who shall in the end betray both leaders and common people.
Century X-49
“Garden of the world, near the New City,In the way of the man-made mountains,Shall be siezed upon and plunged into a ferment,Being forced to drink sulphurous poisoned waters.” This startling prophecy of a catastrophic event at a pleasure resort not far from the great New City, predicts a tremendous tidal wave of poisoned waters that shall sweep in from the resort and overwhelm the man made like skyscrapers og the city. The complete prophecies of NostradamusTranslat ed, Edited and Interpreted By Henry C. RobertsCopyright 1947
(Sentinel at Large)
so whats it going to be:Are you proposing by that pinn you wear that you’re in favor of shooting police officers or are going to do stunts like this video that you’re seen in here? I see from a former law enforcent source that you brought in $20.000 for first responders.. . How ?From who?Are you connected to the “Shylocks” offering the money?Do you know who Micheal Garcia is? Why does it look like the very same issue you had with Les Jamison NY911Truth ($6000)Who by the way brought you in? P.S. This isn’t to be interpreted as a mark against the whole WEAREChange group because I know as a fact that there a real people with real concerns with the group when it comes tio issue above. Sentinel
Activists Arrested For Asking Bloomberg A Question Plan Countersuit… anyone who can offer legal services to contact bri.wearechange@gmail.com . … Citizen Activist and Journalist Luke Rudowski. Reply. Paul Isaac (Sentinel) Says: …prisonplanet.com/ activists-arrested-for- asking-bloomberg-a-question… - 132k - Cached Funny that when I asked this guy for assistance with my false arrest in 2007. His reply was “He didn’t do so good in court” And didn’t offer a shit of help. Les came once. This is the reason the Truth movement is dead. Because they would rather do show stunts than actually bring answers to the people. Now he wants help. Sentinel
so whats it going to be Luke? Are you proposing by that pinn you wear that you’re in favor of shooting police officers or are going to do stunts like this video that you’re seen in here? I see from a former law enforcent source that you brought in $20.000 for first responders.. . How ?From who?Are you connected to the “Shylocks” offering the money?Do you know who Micheal Garcia is? Why does it look like the very same issue you had with Les Jamison NY911Truth ($6000)?Who by the way brought you in? P.S. This isn’t to be interpreted as a mark against the whole WEAREChange group because I know as a fact that there a real people with real concerns with the group when it comes tio issue above. Sentinel
There is an Nassau county LI Auxiliary Police Officers and NYPD Auxiliary Sgt. (41pct) who will can account for for location Bwy Chambers Park row.
NYsentinel
On the road again
Fri Oct 21, 2005
Ok, I’m going to let the cat out of the bag.
I’m leaving for NYC in a couple hours to interveiw none other than paul isaac jr.
he want to clear the air about a couple things,on the record,and give us somne things off the record. But i’d like to speak ahead of time for him and say that this articvle right here?
“I know 911 was an inside job, the police know its an inside job, and the firemen know it too” Yeah total bullshit !!!
He never said anything of the sort. I’ve got three different videos of paul having it out with lisa and nothing close to that is ever said. Somebodys stretching the truth and I don’t think its paul. Couple that with the complete lack of compliance on the part of chris petherick of AFP who refuses paul request to remove wingtvs article and every other website on the inter which is touting that article as gospel and you can say that pauls a little upset.
RIGHTFULL SO. I just wanted to vent a little because wingtv hasn”t been on the movements goodside for some time now and this incident further throws their character into question.
Dylan Avery
Sentinel (For Beverly Eckert RIP)
February 13, 2009 at 2:35 pm
More Unanswered Questions re: Keyspan Tanks
Paul Isaac is an Auxiliary Fireman and (911) first responder.
He has spent an untold number of hours doing in-depth research compiling
many areas of evidence challenging the official account of 9/11.
The image below illustrates a parallel between the
demolition of the Keyspan Maspeth Holding Tanks in Queens, NY on July 15th, just a few months before 9/11. Although explosives were outlawed, somehow with the Giuliani administration in power, this demolition was carried out even though the surrounding area was residential. You can still see the Queens Gazette article from 7/18/01
here.
Also,
The height of the tanks is approximately the same
as the height from where Flight 175 struck the south tower and the top of the building. The angle of the collapse of the South Tower (see Image 2) was almost identical to the angle of the demolition-cased collapse of the tanks (see Image 3). Also, the antenna from Tower One came down in the same direction, into Tobin Plaza rather than west towards the World Financial Centers. The demolition of the tanks was planned and carried out by Controlled Demolition, Inc.
Isn’t it interesting that this company also was contracted to do
the cleanup after the Oklahoma City Bombing, then again for cleanup of the World Trade Center towers? Also, see the Online Journal article
here
by Jerry Mazza.
It’s important to realize that pilots flying planes
into LaGuardia Airport used the Keyspan tanks
as markers on their imbound approach route.
Career Army Officer Sues Cheney, Rumsfeld For 9/11 Complicity
April Gallop files suit for failure to warn people inside Pentagon despite advance knowledge, as well as prior knowledge and complicity in terror attacksPaul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com Thursday, December 18, 2008
A career Army officer who was injured in the attack on the Pentagon on 9/11 is suing Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld for failing to issue a warning that American Airlines Flight 77 was about to hit the building despite receiving knowledge of its approach some 20 minutes in advance.
Retired Army officer April Gallop, a ranking specialist with top secret clearance who began working at the Pentagon in 2000, has also filed suit against US Air Force General Richard Myers, who was acting chairman of the joint chiefs on 9/11.
54. Similarly, defendant Rumsfeld — like the President himself, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defendant Gen. Richard Myers and others — testified and said in public, repeatedly, that no one in the Government security apparatus ever imagined terrorists suicidally crashing planes into buildings. This claim was also absolutely false. In point of fact, the CIA, the NSA, the FAA and NORAD had planned and trained for just such a possibility. Indeed, the record shows training exercises involving such a potential attack had in fact been carried on at the Pentagon in October, 2000 and May, 2001, and that NORAD had begun planning in July, 2001, for a training exercise in which the premise would be that a hijacked airliner was crashed into the World Trade Center. The 9/11 Commission, however — with the same studied indifference it showed towards the Mineta testimony — failed even to mention these contradictions in its Report, let alone explain them away.
“For months, we had in place an exercise in which we’d drill on our responseto a bio/chem attack, specifically practicing for the distribution of medication. The planned date: Wednesday, september 12. We had stored much of the materials for THAT DRILL at pier 92. Pier 92 offered 125.000 square feet of open space and easy transportation to and from Ground Zero by way of boat and the Westside Highway. Moreover, Because IT WAS ALREADY IN USE BY THE MILITARY, the points of access were relatively easy to guard. Richie told me he’d pulled his OEM guys to start setting up pier 92 as a command center. My most optimistic expectation would have been that even a rudimentary replacement for the felled center at 7 world trade would be seven to ten days. By saturday morning, we held our fist meeting.”
Page 355Leadership-Rudolph W Giuliani
Below we see the flattened tanks on the left, and
the complete demolition at Ground Zero. Also, below we see what very much appears to be 2 different Osama Bin Ladins. Which one are we supposed to believe was responsible for 9/11? If he indeed did orchestrate 9/11, why isn’t this listed on the FBI web site’s Most Wanted section? Why did an FBI official named Rex Tomb claim “the FBI has no hard evidence connecting him to 9/11??
Did you know Enron supplied gas to Keyspan? Did
you know Enron, which was being investigated by the Security and Exchange Commission, had files destroyed in the collapse of WTC7?
Did you know Keyspan was in a joint venture with Enron in 1998? Here’s an excerpt from a press release:
ENRON TO MANAGE GAS SUPPLY FOR BROOKLYN
UNION
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Friday, February 13, 1998
HOUSTON – KeySpan Energy Corporation and Enron Capital & Trade Resources Corp. (ECT), a subsidiary of Enron Corp., today announced an agreement whereby ECT will provide gas supply management services for Brooklyn Union Gas, the primary subsidiary of KeySpan Energy.
Under the terms of this agreement, which is subject to approval
by New York Public Service Commission, ECT will assume responsibility for managing Brooklyn Union’s interstate pipeline transportation, gas supply and storage.
Wouldn’t a real investigation pursue
this trail and see where it leads?
The brochure cover below from a city Y2K publication prior
to 2000 shows a strange looking shadow on the north face of Tower 1 coming from 250 Broadway which stood next to WTC7. Paul noticed this strange shadow, pointing out that the sun could not have caused this due to the direction of its path. Why would an official city document have this oddity? Could this signify something ominous?
Could this shadow be pointing towards the Keyspan Tanks? Note the yellow line in the image below. These are questions Paul is calling to our attention.
Also, did you know Keyspan got a baseball park built
under the company’s name? For more, click
here.
(NYsentinel)
Sentinel (For Beverly Eckert RIP)
February 13, 2009 at 2:35 pm
More Unanswered Questions re: Keyspan Tanks
Paul Isaac is an Auxiliary Fireman and first responder.
He has spent an untold number of hours doing in-depth research compiling many areas of evidence challenging the official account of 9/11.
The image below illustrates a parallel between the
demolition of the Keyspan Maspeth Holding Tanks in Queens, NY on July 15th, just a few months before 9/11. Although explosives were outlawed, somehow with the Giuliani administration in power, this demolition was carried out even though the surrounding area was residential. You can still see the Queens Gazette article from 7/18/01
here.
Also,
The height of the tanks is approximately the same
as the height from where Flight 175 struck the south tower and the top of the building. The angle of the collapse of the South Tower
(see Image 2) was almost identical to the angle of the demolition-cased collapse of the tanks (see Image 3). Also, the antenna from Tower One came down in the same direction, into Tobin Plaza rather than west towards the World Financial Centers. The demolition of the tanks was planned and carried out by Controlled Demolition, Inc.
Isn’t it interesting that this company also was contracted to do
the cleanup after the Oklahoma City Bombing, then again for cleanup of the World Trade Center towers? Also, see the Online Journal article
here
by Jerry Mazza.
It’s important to realize that pilots flying planes
into LaGuardia Airport used the Keyspan tanks
as markers on their inbound approach route.
Career Army Officer Sues Cheney, Rumsfeld For 9/11 Complicity
April Gallop files suit for failure to warn people inside Pentagon despite advance knowledge, as well as prior knowledge and complicity in terror attacks
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, December 18, 2008
A career Army officer who was injured in the attack on the Pentagon on 9/11 is suing Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld for failing to issue a warning that American Airlines Flight 77 was about to hit the building despite receiving knowledge of its approach some 20 minutes in advance.
Retired Army officer April Gallop, a ranking specialist with top secret clearance who began working at the Pentagon in 2000, has also filed suit against US Air Force General Richard Myers, who was acting chairman of the joint chiefs on 9/11.
54. Similarly, defendant Rumsfeld — like the President himself, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defendant Gen. Richard Myers and others — testified and said in public, repeatedly, that no one in the Government security apparatus ever imagined terrorists suicidally crashing planes into buildings. This claim was also absolutely false. In point of fact, the CIA, the NSA, the FAA and NORAD had planned and trained for just such a possibility. Indeed, the record shows training exercises involving such a potential attack had in fact been carried on at the Pentagon in October, 2000 and May, 2001, and that NORAD had begun planning in July, 2001, for a training exercise in which the premise would be that a hijacked airliner was crashed into the World Trade Center. The 9/11 Commission, however — with the same studied indifference it showed towards the Mineta testimony — failed even to mention these contradictions in its Report, let alone explain them away.
“For months, we had in place an exercise in which we’d drill on our responseto a bio/chem attack, specifically practicing for the distribution of medication. The planned date: Wednesday, september 12. We had stored much of the materials for THAT DRILL at pier 92. Pier 92 offered 125.000 square feet of open space and easy transportation to and from Ground Zero by way of boat and the Westside Highway. Moreover, Because IT WAS ALREADY IN USE BY THE MILITARY, the points of access were relatively easy to guard. Richie told me he’d pulled his OEM guys to start setting up pier 92 as a command center. My most optimistic expectation would have been that even a rudimentary replacement for the felled center at 7 world trade would be seven to ten days. By saturday morning, we held our fist meeting.”
Page 355Leadership-Rudolph W Giuliani
Below we see the flattened tanks on the left, and
the complete demolition at Ground Zero. Also, below we see what very much appears to be 2 different Osama Bin Ladins. Which one are we supposed to believe was responsible for 9/11? If he indeed did orchestrate 9/11, why isn’t this listed on the FBI web site’s
Most Wanted section? Why did an FBI official named Rex Tomb claim “the FBI has no hard evidence connecting him to 9/11??
Did you know Enron supplied gas to Keyspan? Did
you know Enron, which was being investigated by the Security and Exchange Commission, had files destroyed in the collapse of WTC7?
Did you know Keyspan was in a joint venture with Enron in 1998?
Here’s an excerpt from a press release:
ENRON TO MANAGE GAS SUPPLY FOR BROOKLYN
UNION
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Friday, February 13, 1998
HOUSTON – KeySpan Energy Corporation and Enron Capital & Trade Resources Corp. (ECT), a subsidiary of Enron Corp., today announced an agreement whereby ECT will provide gas supply management services for Brooklyn Union Gas, the primary subsidiary of KeySpan Energy.
Under the terms of this agreement, which is subject to approval
by New York Public Service Commission, ECT will assume responsibility for managing Brooklyn Union’s interstate pipeline transportation, gas supply and storage.
Wouldn’t a real investigation pursue
this trail and see where it leads?
The brochure cover below from a city publication prior
to 2000 shows a strange looking shadow on the north face of Tower 1 coming from 250 Broadway which stood next to WTC7. Paul noticed this strange shadow, pointing out that the sun could not have caused this due to the direction of its path. Why would an official city
document have this oddity? Could this signify something ominous?
Could this shadow be pointing towards the Keyspan Tanks? Note the yellow line in the image below. These are questions Paul is calling to our attention.
Also, did you know Keyspan got a baseball park built
under the company’s name? For more, click
here.
Sabrinas (Ms Piggy) Riveras story hour:
Version 1: Danny stayed over at her house that
night in queens an was having trouble breathing,
****** thought nothing of it and just let him sleep and in the morning she found him very blue and called 911.
Version 2: Danny was having trouble sleeping so he took some sleeping pills was having trouble breathing ****** thought nothing of it so in the morning when she woke she found him blue and not breathing
Version 3: ****** and Danny had just got back from a party and Danny had bought the pills at the party from someone, took them to help him fall asleep. He took 1,then said these pills aren’t working so took about 15 or some stupid amount of these pills and later that night was having trouble breathing, ******* waited till morning when she woke and saw he was blue and not breathing.
Version 4: Danny had bought these pills from this kid and ***** is unsure how many pills he took or what kind they were but the pills had some numbes on it. In the morning she found him blue and not breathing.
So the common factor is
A.she thought nothing of his breathing problems
B. she knew he took pills
C. she waited till morning to check him
Danny Wallace (RIP)
Move along nothing to see here…
NYsentinel
Cause I klnow this site praticing censorship….
You can eat shit
paul isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Is anyone going to look into the Danny Wallace Conspiracy?
Seems someone got some explaining to do
“As far as how Danny died, the police did say it was natural. What out family was told by the Autopsy was because of the overdose of unknown pills, sleeping pills or downer pills our family is not sure of what kind of pills he took but because of a combination of that and his heart disease which he were un aware of until his death that is what caused his death. Heart disease and taking those pills.
His girl friend Sabrina was with him the night he died. She is heavily into the 911truth.org movement.
I do not know the full story of what happened to my nephew but from what we my family were told by Danny’s girl friend Sabrina. (what i am about to tell you i am still so confused about because her story changed so much into what happened or what he or she did that night, only ******* really knows)
Version 1: Danny stayed over at her house that night in Queens and was having trouble breathing, Sabrina thought nothing of it and just let him sleep and in the morning she found him very blue and called 911.
Version 2: Danny was having trouble sleeping so he took some sleeping pills was having trouble breathing Sabrina thought nothing of it so in the morning when she woke she found him blue and not breathing.
Version 3: Sabrina and Danny had just got back from a party and Danny had bought the pills at the party from someone, took them to help him fall asleep. He took 1, then said these pills aren’t working so took about 15 or some stupid amount of these pills and later that night was having trouble breathing, Sabrina waited till morning when she woke and saw he was blue and not breathing.
Version 4: Danny had bought these pills from this kid and Sabrina is unsure how many pills he took or what kind they were but the pills had some numbers on it. In the morning She found him blue and not breathing.
Now after his death our friends were telling all different kind of things that Sabrina had told them what happened these were the versions I heard had happened.
Danny Wallace (RIP)
Son of FDNY Lt Robert Wallace E205(RIP) BKLYN NY
Firehouse forums
paul isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Is anyone going to look into the Danny Wallace Conspiracy?
Seems someone got some explaining to do
“As far as how Danny died, the police did say it was natural. What out family was told by the Autopsy was because of the overdose of unknown pills, sleeping pills or downer pills our family is not sure of what kind of pills he took but because of a combination of that and his heart disease which he were un aware of until his death that is what caused his death. Heart disease and taking those pills.
His girl friend Sabrina was with him the night he died. She is heavily into the 911truth.org movement.
I do not know the full story of what happened to my nephew but from what we my family were told by Danny’s girl friend Sabrina. (what i am about to tell you i am still so confused about because her story changed so much into what happened or what he or she did that night, only ******* really knows)
Version 1: Danny stayed over at her house that night in Queens and was having trouble breathing, Sabrina thought nothing of it and just let him sleep and in the morning she found him very blue and called 911.
Version 2: Danny was having trouble sleeping so he took some sleeping pills was having trouble breathing Sabrina thought nothing of it so in the morning when she woke she found him blue and not breathing.
Version 3: Sabrina and Danny had just got back from a party and Danny had bought the pills at the party from someone, took them to help him fall asleep. He took 1, then said these pills aren’t working so took about 15 or some stupid amount of these pills and later that night was having trouble breathing, Sabrina waited till morning when she woke and saw he was blue and not breathing.
Version 4: Danny had bought these pills from this kid and Sabrina is unsure how many pills he took or what kind they were but the pills had some numbers on it. In the morning She found him blue and not breathing.
Now after his death our friends were telling all different kind of things that Sabrina had told them what happened these were the versions I heard had happened.
Danny Wallace (RIP)
Son of FDNY Lt Robert Wallace E205(RIP) BKLYN NY
paul isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Another New Yorker who knows…
“This is not the Alex Jones, We Are Change, Louder Then Words, (or Ron Paul) movement..this movement is about 9/11, and getting down to what really happened. And enough is enough. This weekend and on was a total disgrace, hypocricy, and the elitist behavior that has been brewing has proved destructive here in Nyc. I hope somehow those of you in other places have made up for this, but there is no doubt this was the “center stage” because of the ceremonies.
Having dealt with CHANGE personally, and their heirarchy, i’m not surprised in the least by their behavior. Jones i was at least hoping for better from, but i knew anything could happen, and Louder Then Words demonstrated what they were about when they banned people from their forums, who they got research for their movies from. As well as their childish behavior that followed. Yet here we were, ending the 6th anniversary with these very individuals, from Luke Rudkowski to Dylan Avery, and beyond, leading the way under who they called “the Grand Infowarrior”, Alex Jones. Are we trying to be freemasons? I thought we knew better then to make people into icons. I thought we knew better then to follow anyone but ourselves. People are human, and sometimes worse.
Change and Les Jameisons’ ny911truth spent the last year dividing up Nyc, they both then unleashed organizations with narrow-agenda’s..the very principle most all in the movement(including those very previously mentioned individuals) claimed to be against. No politics, no parties..just investigation and truth. But long behold we have left groups, right groups, you name it…and as groups that ate up real sincere and diverse organizations that they were attached to previously and could have been. Slick promotion and a connection with Alex Jones is something that Jameison and crew did not have, and so it was Change that got the glammer image. This probably has alot of you who are fans saying “wtf is he talking about?”. Well give me a fair chance.
Let me take you back only to Sunday. I visited Webster Hall in Manhattan, got a look at how the event was going. Quickly i found the scene alarming. Looking like Hollywood, chosen son after chosen son of the movement came through to a welcome wagon, and everyone else had to go through a barrage of security. As if it wasn’t disturbing enough, half the security was Change’s own security! It was then that i found out that they had filled the PUBLIC protest on Saturday night, with security as well(available in pictures off their site, some of which i saved). Security coordinating with the cops to, as Nate of Change said, “Keep the people in order.” Are you serious? Well i gave him my words for that, and rightfully so. Whether it’s gone to their heads or worse, it’s safe to say the problem is directly among us, as much as it is around us. We have hit the “controlled” stage, for certain. Most of the people who go out to Change events are sincere people, i want to make that clear. But the problem that they have had sinse the beginning is that they are a group based around heirarchy, lingering on icon cultship. Of course Mr. Rudkowski would be quick to exclaim, “there are no rules, so how could anyone rule”. But if there are no rules, how could you have security. Who had the head pieces, Mr. Rudkowski(and friends)? Enough said. Caught in a lie there, sir. Not the first time. We have a huge and perhaps now fatal problem.
Surely enough, along came the Tuesday event. The one that was supposed to “make history”. Before i get to this..let me discuss some important issues:
If you have seen the promo’s by We Are Change, or have seen the webpage for the 6th anniverary events, themselves, you would find it quite interesting. The site opens up with, as a couple people put it, monster truck rally type announcing. The videos bring mtv like flashwork and icons…yes, there will be JACK BLOOD, LOUDER THEN WORDS(loose change), ALEX JONES, WE ARE CHANGE(five heirarchy only shown, out of the many people in the group. Luke front and center.), ect. Lack of focus on the truth, lack of focus on showing the solemnity of the time, drawing people with facts-nothing like that-just a vma award type of promotion. How innappropriate and narrowly focused.
There is then the problem, and Change admits this about themselves, that the keynote 9/11 event of the year(and perhaps the most important yet..well undoubtably) was seized by the hands of a group that is hardly a truth and justice for 9/11-focused group. Their events and coverage also largely focus on the tax activist Brown family, the income tax itself, the belief that global warming isn’t manmade, and of course the campaign of Ron Paul..who has come to say on camera “I don’t believe 9/11 was a government job.” We have quite a hypocricy here on the last one. And what a good job confusing someone just learning about the truth behind 9/11, when you hand them a dvd and a ron paul sticker. Wait till they hear him talk about the 9/11 commission and how great it is, at a debate! Or when they find a clip of him denying the truth about 9/11. Horrible move. And this has undoubtably been a big reason why the movement appears to have seen a near halt in growth the last few months, after all the growth these past couple years. Not that Change are the only ones who have partaken in that. This is a terrible mistake. But point being, a group that has it’s own specific agenda-which will be both too much for some, and sometimes not agreed with by many others in the movement(including people new to it)-should not be running an unowned event that is focused specifically on the truth behind 9/11.
And this is where todays event comes in. And where Alex Jones comes in.
He knows how big an icon he is. Sadly it’s true. My feelings on Jones before this have always been, “He’s human, seems to do some good, but he’s human.” Those thoughts and feelings on him and his crew have now spiraled quickly after watching this all go on. From not only failing to warn away the Change security, but rather having quite a bit of it surround him; to not rejecting being made a rock star..or should i say pope..or grand freemason..or whatever; to essentially giving Change and Loose Change miracle grow; to failing today to even bother to help ignite the kind of post-ceremony action at the World Trade Grounds that we had last year and gained the attention of many; he has a big hand in this. Yes he has. There was no major speakout following the ceremony at the grounds, there was not a whole lot of disbursing amidst the crowd as the time neared, either. Just waiting..and waiting..and then leaving, off to other places with a fraction of the onlookers. There was a short spout of pouring rain(20 minutes tops), but everyone was still there when it was done, and nothing happened. So much for promises.
These 5 days of events in Nyc were all about promotion of self. From start to finish. It was never about the families, victims, ect. Not to the “leaders”. Someone can say what they want about the money donated to the first responders(if they get it all, where’s the fund?), but even that was just a way for the “big names” to propagate themselves as kings and queens of the phrase they’ve dirtied,”9/11 truth”. End Game and Loose Change Final cut got major promotion for their videos which will cash out big time. These three entities are going to attempt to come out of this, more then ever as the coup de grace, and as Change put it, “the only real truth group.” It’s not truth if you don’t live up to it.
Sorry to say. I’m very angry, dissapointed, disgusted, and doubtful about our changes. Many of us sacrificed way too much, times we can never have back, swallowed personal pains just to take part, you name it, and this is what it has come to. My deepest apologies go out to all those living and dead victims, because of what happened. You deserved alot better..even if you don’t know it yet. As a man once said(before it got adopted by Keith Oberman), Goodnight and goodluck. God certainly knows it’s going to be needed”
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May 27th, 2009 at 10:38 am
However, he died and Luke said he died of “natural causes”, however many members of the movement believed he was killed by the government because he was “too close to the truth”. Not once did Luke mention anything about an overdose (Dan started taking pills after meeting up with Luke due to depression) and the other members of the movement such as Infowars try to spin it as Dan was assassinated by the government.
Is anyone going to look into the Danny Wallace Conspiracy?
Seems someone got some explaining to do
“As far as how Danny died, the police did say it was natural. What out family was told by the Autopsy was because of the overdose of unknown pills, sleeping pills or downer pills our family is not sure of what kind of pills he took but because of a combination of that and his heart disease which he were un aware of until his death that is what caused his death. Heart disease and taking those pills.
His girl friend Sabrina was with him the night he died. She is heavily into the 911truth.org movement.
I do not know the full story of what happened to my nephew but from what we my family were told by Danny’s girl friend Sabrina. (what i am about to tell you i am still so confused about because her story changed so much into what happened or what he or she did that night, only ******* really knows)
Version 1: Danny stayed over at her house that night in Queens and was having trouble breathing, Sabrina thought nothing of it and just let him sleep and in the morning she found him very blue and called 911.
Version 2: Danny was having trouble sleeping so he took some sleeping pills was having trouble breathing Sabrina thought nothing of it so in the morning when she woke she found him blue and not breathing.
Version 3: Sabrina and Danny had just got back from a party and Danny had bought the pills at the party from someone, took them to help him fall asleep. He took 1, then said these pills aren’t working so took about 15 or some stupid amount of these pills and later that night was having trouble breathing, Sabrina waited till morning when she woke and saw he was blue and not breathing.
Version 4: Danny had bought these pills from this kid and Sabrina is unsure how many pills he took or what kind they were but the pills had some numbers on it. In the morning She found him blue and not breathing.
Now after his death our friends were telling all different kind of things that Sabrina had told them what happened these were the versions I heard had happened.
Danny Wallace (RIP)
Son of FDNY Lt Robert Wallace E205(RIP) BKLYN NY
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Note: You may not understand this completely if you have not been working in the Ny sector, but i will do my best to walk you through it. If nothing else drop me any questions you wish, and i will do my best to get to them soon as capable. ………………………… ………………………… ………………………… ………………………..
This is not the Alex Jones, We Are Change, Louder Then Words, (or Ron Paul) movement..this movement is about 9/11, and getting down to what really happened. And enough is enough. This weekend and on was a total disgrace, hypocricy, and the elitist behavior that has been brewing has proved destructive here in Nyc. I hope somehow those of you in other places have made up for this, but there is no doubt this was the “center stage” because of the ceremonies.
Having dealt with CHANGE personally, and their heirarchy, i’m not surprised in the least by their behavior. Jones i was at least hoping for better from, but i knew anything could happen, and Louder Then Words demonstrated what they were about when they banned people from their forums, who they got research for their movies from. As well as their childish behavior that followed. Yet here we were, ending the 6th anniversary with these very individuals, from Luke Rudkowski to Dylan Avery, and beyond, leading the way under who they called “the Grand Infowarrior”, Alex Jones. Are we trying to be freemasons? I thought we knew better then to make people into icons. I thought we knew better then to follow anyone but ourselves. People are human, and sometimes worse.
Change and Les Jameisons’ ny911truth spent the last year dividing up Nyc, they both then unleashed organizations with narrow-agenda’s..the very principle most all in the movement(including those very previously mentioned individuals) claimed to be against. No politics, no parties..just investigation and truth. But long behold we have left groups, right groups, you name it…and as groups that ate up real sincere and diverse organizations that they were attached to previously and could have been. Slick promotion and a connection with Alex Jones is something that Jameison and crew did not have, and so it was Change that got the glammer image. This probably has alot of you who are fans saying “wtf is he talking about?”. Well give me a fair chance.
Let me take you back only to Sunday. I visited Webster Hall in Manhattan, got a look at how the event was going. Quickly i found the scene alarming. Looking like Hollywood, chosen son after chosen son of the movement came through to a welcome wagon, and everyone else had to go through a barrage of security. As if it wasn’t disturbing enough, half the security was Change’s own security! It was then that i found out that they had filled the PUBLIC protest on Saturday night, with security as well(available in pictures off their site, some of which i saved). Security coordinating with the cops to, as Nate of Change said, “Keep the people in order.” Are you serious? Well i gave him my words for that, and rightfully so. Whether it’s gone to their heads or worse, it’s safe to say the problem is directly among us, as much as it is around us. We have hit the “controlled” stage, for certain. Most of the people who go out to Change events are sincere people, i want to make that clear. But the problem that they have had sinse the beginning is that they are a group based around heirarchy, lingering on icon cultship. Of course Mr. Rudkowski would be quick to exclaim, “there are no rules, so how could anyone rule”. But if there are no rules, how could you have security. Who had the head pieces, Mr. Rudkowski(and friends)? Enough said. Caught in a lie there, sir. Not the first time. We have a huge and perhaps now fatal problem.
Surely enough, along came the Tuesday event. The one that was supposed to “make history”. Before i get to this..let me discuss some important issues:
If you have seen the promo’s by We Are Change, or have seen the webpage for the 6th anniverary events, themselves, you would find it quite interesting. The site opens up with, as a couple people put it, monster truck rally type announcing. The videos bring mtv like flashwork and icons…yes, there will be JACK BLOOD, LOUDER THEN WORDS(loose change), ALEX JONES, WE ARE CHANGE(five heirarchy only shown, out of the many people in the group. Luke front and center.), ect. Lack of focus on the truth, lack of focus on showing the solemnity of the time, drawing people with facts-nothing like that-just a vma award type of promotion. How innappropriate and narrowly focused.
There is then the problem, and Change admits this about themselves, that the keynote 9/11 event of the year(and perhaps the most important yet..well undoubtably) was seized by the hands of a group that is hardly a truth and justice for 9/11-focused group. Their events and coverage also largely focus on the tax activist Brown family, the income tax itself, the belief that global warming isn’t manmade, and of course the campaign of Ron Paul..who has come to say on camera “I don’t believe 9/11 was a government job.” We have quite a hypocricy here on the last one. And what a good job confusing someone just learning about the truth behind 9/11, when you hand them a dvd and a ron paul sticker. Wait till they hear him talk about the 9/11 commission and how great it is, at a debate! Or when they find a clip of him denying the truth about 9/11. Horrible move. And this has undoubtably been a big reason why the movement appears to have seen a near halt in growth the last few months, after all the growth these past couple years. Not that Change are the only ones who have partaken in that. This is a terrible mistake. But point being, a group that has it’s own specific agenda-which will be both too much for some, and sometimes not agreed with by many others in the movement(including people new to it)-should not be running an unowned event that is focused specifically on the truth behind 9/11.
And this is where todays event comes in. And where Alex Jones comes in.
He knows how big an icon he is. Sadly it’s true. My feelings on Jones before this have always been, “He’s human, seems to do some good, but he’s human.” Those thoughts and feelings on him and his crew have now spiraled quickly after watching this all go on. From not only failing to warn away the Change security, but rather having quite a bit of it surround him; to not rejecting being made a rock star..or should i say pope..or grand freemason..or whatever; to essentially giving Change and Loose Change miracle grow; to failing today to even bother to help ignite the kind of post-ceremony action at the World Trade Grounds that we had last year and gained the attention of many; he has a big hand in this. Yes he has. There was no major speakout following the ceremony at the grounds, there was not a whole lot of disbursing amidst the crowd as the time neared, either. Just waiting..and waiting..and then leaving, off to other places with a fraction of the onlookers. There was a short spout of pouring rain(20 minutes tops), but everyone was still there when it was done, and nothing happened. So much for promises.
These 5 days of events in Nyc were all about promotion of self. From start to finish. It was never about the families, victims, ect. Not to the “leaders”. Someone can say what they want about the money donated to the first responders(if they get it all, where’s the fund?), but even that was just a way for the “big names” to propagate themselves as kings and queens of the phrase they’ve dirtied,”9/11 truth”. End Game and Loose Change Final cut got major promotion for their videos which will cash out big time. These three entities are going to attempt to come out of this, more then ever as the coup de grace, and as Change put it, “the only real truth group.” It’s not truth if you don’t live up to it.
Sorry to say. I’m very angry, dissapointed, disgusted, and doubtful about our changes. Many of us sacrificed way too much, times we can never have back, swallowed personal pains just to take part, you name it, and this is what it has come to. My deepest apologies go out to all those living and dead victims, because of what happened. You deserved alot better..even if you don’t know it yet. As a man once said(before it got adopted by Keith Oberman), Goodnight and goodluck. God certainly knows it’s going to be needed
Gravy22nd August 2007, 08:14 AM
I’m not going to say who it was, but they are extremely angry they are using Dan’s name and his father’s to protect themselves. As I said before, I did took out some parts of the email that were rather personal by their request. They are sick of these people and want to inform others like myself about what really happened, otherwise they wouldn’t have emailed me about this in the first place.
MarkyX22nd August 2007, 08:27 AM
Luke was a 9/11 Denier on ground zero who befriended Dan Wallace, son of firefighter Robert F Wallace on 9/11. Dan Wallace wanted to know what happened to his father and the local truth movement organization there told him the usual stuff like “bombs were in the towers” and so forth. They have used Dan as a shield before when Mark Roberts was at Ground Zero, trying to spin it as debunkers were being jerks to the 9/11 victims.
However, he died and Luke said he died of “natural causes”, however many members of the movement believed he was killed by the government because he was “too close to the truth”. Not once did Luke mention anything about an overdose (Dan started taking pills after meeting up with Luke due to depression) and the other members of the movement such as Infowars try to spin it as Dan was assassinated by the government.
nlarosa22nd August 2007, 02:50 PM
I am Dans uncle in FL West Palm Beach and it is a personal matter with my nephews death. But when they make up lies about the government assassinating him it then becomes a public matter because they are lying to people and making some kind of movie? of some sort to bring more believers. I don’t know the reason for their lies to make money to be in history books or what i just don’t understand it. But i would like to know how people feel about them lying to the public when they say they are asking for the truth and they claim they know the truth. I recently saw a video of popular mechanics and Jason Bermas – Producer and Researcher of Loose Change debating and every time popular mechanics says a fact or that they spoke to an expert on the field about Jasons claims, Jason just yelled and called them a liar. These people are lairs! and can’t back anything up with fact. All they do is twist the fact by leaving details out for their interests.
gttt
Gravy22nd August 2007, 08:14 AM
I’m not going to say who it was, but they are extremely angry they are using Dan’s name and his father’s to protect themselves. As I said before, I did took out some parts of the email that were rather personal by their request. They are sick of these people and want to inform others like myself about what really happened, otherwise they wouldn’t have emailed me about this in the first place.
MarkyX22nd August 2007, 08:27 AM
Luke was a 9/11 Denier on ground zero who befriended Dan Wallace, son of firefighter Robert F Wallace on 9/11. Dan Wallace wanted to know what happened to his father and the local truth movement organization there told him the usual stuff like “bombs were in the towers” and so forth. They have used Dan as a shield before when Mark Roberts was at Ground Zero, trying to spin it as debunkers were being jerks to the 9/11 victims.
However, he died and Luke said he died of “natural causes”, however many members of the movement believed he was killed by the government because he was “too close to the truth”. Not once did Luke mention anything about an overdose (Dan started taking pills after meeting up with Luke due to depression) and the other members of the movement such as Infowars try to spin it as Dan was assassinated by the government.
nlarosa22nd August 2007, 02:50 PM
I am Dans uncle in FL West Palm Beach and it is a personal matter with my nephews death. But when they make up lies about the government assassinating him it then becomes a public matter because they are lying to people and making some kind of movie? of some sort to bring more believers. I don’t know the reason for their lies to make money to be in history books or what i just don’t understand it. But i would like to know how people feel about them lying to the public when they say they are asking for the truth and they claim they know the truth. I recently saw a video of popular mechanics and Jason Bermas – Producer and Researcher of Loose Change debating and every time popular mechanics says a fact or that they spoke to an expert on the field about Jasons claims, Jason just yelled and called them a liar. These people are lairs! and can’t back anything up with fact. All they do is twist the fact by leaving details out for their interests.
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May 27, 2009 at 11:31 am
paul isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Is anyone going to look into the Danny Wallace Conspiracy?
Seems someone got some explaining to do
“As far as how Danny died, the police did say it was natural. What out family was told by the Autopsy was because of the overdose of unknown pills, sleeping pills or downer pills our family is not sure of what kind of pills he took but because of a combination of that and his heart disease which he were un aware of until his death that is what caused his death. Heart disease and taking those pills.
His girl friend Sabrina was with him the night he died. She is heavily into the 911truth.org movement.
I do not know the full story of what happened to my nephew but from what we my family were told by Danny’s girl friend Sabrina. (what i am about to tell you i am still so confused about because her story changed so much into what happened or what he or she did that night, only ******* really knows)
Version 1: Danny stayed over at her house that night in Queens and was having trouble breathing, Sabrina thought nothing of it and just let him sleep and in the morning she found him very blue and called 911.
Version 2: Danny was having trouble sleeping so he took some sleeping pills was having trouble breathing Sabrina thought nothing of it so in the morning when she woke she found him blue and not breathing.
Version 3: Sabrina and Danny had just got back from a party and Danny had bought the pills at the party from someone, took them to help him fall asleep. He took 1, then said these pills aren’t working so took about 15 or some stupid amount of these pills and later that night was having trouble breathing, Sabrina waited till morning when she woke and saw he was blue and not breathing.
Version 4: Danny had bought these pills from this kid and Sabrina is unsure how many pills he took or what kind they were but the pills had some numbers on it. In the morning She found him blue and not breathing.
Now after his death our friends were telling all different kind of things that Sabrina had told them what happened these were the versions I heard had happened.
Danny Wallace (RIP)
Son of FDNY Lt Robert Wallace E205(RIP) BKLYN NY
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ok in this video posted by wearechange. Rivera first flashed my brother in laws prayer card!!!! and then is yelling in the video ” i didn’t find my family member because of you, because you threw them away” and then so goes on ” I didn’t find them because of this scum” WTF she did not lose anyone 9/11 and she is not my family member why the hell do they put my family into this? They have no respect at all for anyone, I lost all respect for Rivera we told her to leave our family out of this These people seriously have something wrong with them, they just lie and don’t care what they are lying about.
Do you people really care about the victims? Because i know Sabrina and she did not lose anyone 9/11 she is a lair just like you people it seems. WE HAVE ASKED TO LEAVE OUR FAMILY OUT OF THIS AND NOT TO SPEAK FOR DANNY WALLACE BECAUSE HE CAN’T SPEAK FOR HIMSELF ANYMORE PERIOD!
DON’T USE MY BROTHER IN LAW WHO DIED 9/11 EVER AGAIN Lt Robert F. Wallace YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK AND MAKE ME SICK!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3…h? v=3OcRw0BZvPs
ok in this video posted by wearechange. Rivera first flashed my brother in laws prayer card!!!! and then is yelling in the video ” i didn’t find my family member because of you, because you threw them away” and then so goes on ” I didn’t find them because of this scum” WTF she did not lose anyone 9/11 and she is not my family member why the hell do they put my family into this? They have no respect at all for anyone, I lost all respect for Rivera we told her to leave our family out of this These people seriously have something wrong with them, they just lie and don’t care what they are lying about.
Do you people really care about the victims? Because i know Sabrina and she did not lose anyone 9/11 she is a lair just like you people it seems. WE HAVE ASKED TO LEAVE OUR FAMILY OUT OF THIS AND NOT TO SPEAK FOR DANNY WALLACE BECAUSE HE CAN’T SPEAK FOR HIMSELF ANYMORE PERIOD!
DON’T USE MY BROTHER IN LAW WHO DIED 9/11 EVER AGAIN Lt Robert F. Wallace YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK AND MAKE ME SICK!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OcRw0BZvPs
ok in this video posted by wearechange. Rivera first flashed my brother in laws prayer card!!!! and then is yelling in the video ” i didn’t find my family member because of you, because you threw them away” and then so goes on ” I didn’t find them because of this scum” WTF she did not lose anyone 9/11 and she is not my family member why the hell do they put my family into this? They have no respect at all for anyone, I lost all respect for Rivera we told her to leave our family out of this These people seriously have something wrong with them, they just lie and don’t care what they are lying about.
Do you people really care about the victims? Because i know Sabrina and she did not lose anyone 9/11 she is a lair just like you people it seems. WE HAVE ASKED TO LEAVE OUR FAMILY OUT OF THIS AND NOT TO SPEAK FOR DANNY WALLACE BECAUSE HE CAN’T SPEAK FOR HIMSELF ANYMORE PERIOD!
DON’T USE MY BROTHER IN LAW WHO DIED 9/11 EVER AGAIN Lt Robert F. Wallace YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK AND MAKE ME SICK!
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Paul Isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Paul Isaac (NYsentinel)
May 27, 2009 at 11:31 am
paul isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Is anyone going to look into the Danny Wallace Conspiracy?
Seems someone got some explaining to do
“As far as how Danny died, the police did say it was natural. What out family was told by the Autopsy was because of the overdose of unknown pills, sleeping pills or downer pills our family is not sure of what kind of pills he took but because of a combination of that and his heart disease which he were un aware of until his death that is what caused his death. Heart disease and taking those pills.
His girl friend Sabrina was with him the night he died. She is heavily into the 911truth.org movement.
I do not know the full story of what happened to my nephew but from what we my family were told by Danny’s girl friend Sabrina. (what i am about to tell you i am still so confused about because her story changed so much into what happened or what he or she did that night, only ******* really knows)
Version 1: Danny stayed over at her house that night in Queens and was having trouble breathing, Sabrina thought nothing of it and just let him sleep and in the morning she found him very blue and called 911.
Version 2: Danny was having trouble sleeping so he took some sleeping pills was having trouble breathing Sabrina thought nothing of it so in the morning when she woke she found him blue and not breathing.
Version 3: Sabrina and Danny had just got back from a party and Danny had bought the pills at the party from someone, took them to help him fall asleep. He took 1, then said these pills aren’t working so took about 15 or some stupid amount of these pills and later that night was having trouble breathing, Sabrina waited till morning when she woke and saw he was blue and not breathing.
Version 4: Danny had bought these pills from this kid and Sabrina is unsure how many pills he took or what kind they were but the pills had some numbers on it. In the morning She found him blue and not breathing.
Now after his death our friends were telling all different kind of things that Sabrina had told them what happened these were the versions I heard had happened.
Danny Wallace (RIP)
Son of FDNY Lt Robert Wallace E205(RIP) BKLYN NY
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June 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
nlarosa Posted: Sep 25 2007, 01:30 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OcRw0BZvPs
ok in this video posted by wearechange. Rivera first flashed my brother in laws prayer card!!!! and then is yelling in the video ” i didn’t find my family member because of you, because you threw them away” and then so goes on ” I didn’t find them because of this scum” WTF she did not lose anyone 9/11 and she is not my family member why the hell do they put my family into this? They have no respect at all for anyone, I lost all respect for Rivera we told her to leave our family out of this These people seriously have something wrong with them, they just lie and don’t care what they are lying about.
Do you people really care about the victims? Because i know Sabrina and she did not lose anyone 9/11 she is a lair just like you people it seems. WE HAVE ASKED TO LEAVE OUR FAMILY OUT OF THIS AND NOT TO SPEAK FOR DANNY WALLACE BECAUSE HE CAN’T SPEAK FOR HIMSELF ANYMORE PERIOD!
DON’T USE MY BROTHER IN LAW WHO DIED 9/11 EVER AGAIN Lt Robert F. Wallace YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK AND MAKE ME SICK!
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Paul Isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Paul Isaac (NYsentinel)
May 27, 2009 at 11:31 am
paul isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
May 27th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Is anyone going to look into the Danny Wallace Conspiracy?
Seems someone got some explaining to do
“As far as how Danny died, the police did say it was natural. What out family was told by the Autopsy was because of the overdose of unknown pills, sleeping pills or downer pills our family is not sure of what kind of pills he took but because of a combination of that and his heart disease which he were un aware of until his death that is what caused his death. Heart disease and taking those pills.
His girl friend Sabrina was with him the night he died. She is heavily into the 911truth.org movement.
I do not know the full story of what happened to my nephew but from what we my family were told by Danny’s girl friend Sabrina. (what i am about to tell you i am still so confused about because her story changed so much into what happened or what he or she did that night, only ******* really knows)
Version 1: Danny stayed over at her house that night in Queens and was having trouble breathing, Sabrina thought nothing of it and just let him sleep and in the morning she found him very blue and called 911.
Version 2: Danny was having trouble sleeping so he took some sleeping pills was having trouble breathing Sabrina thought nothing of it so in the morning when she woke she found him blue and not breathing.
Version 3: Sabrina and Danny had just got back from a party and Danny had bought the pills at the party from someone, took them to help him fall asleep. He took 1, then said these pills aren’t working so took about 15 or some stupid amount of these pills and later that night was having trouble breathing, Sabrina waited till morning when she woke and saw he was blue and not breathing.
Version 4: Danny had bought these pills from this kid and Sabrina is unsure how many pills he took or what kind they were but the pills had some numbers on it. In the morning She found him blue and not breathing.
Now after his death our friends were telling all different kind of things that Sabrina had told them what happened these were the versions I heard had happened.
Danny Wallace (RIP)
Son of FDNY Lt Robert Wallace E205(RIP) BKLYN NY
Danny was a person that would listen to both sides and would let somone explain to him things, but i think his emotions and Luke telling him every day since he met him the gov did it he believed it. He really was just looking for answers.
He only knew Luke for 3-4 months, so this was all new to him. From what i know Rivera (Sabrina) manages all the money coming in for the fund raiser of selling t-shirts for the Feal good foundation and wearechange donations. she claims all the money goes go to the feal good foundation but i think it’s a lie…
To me Danny just wanted the truth and the answer to why his father died. But he got caught up in these theories instead and was steered away fro m the truth and blinded by these people.
As far as how Danny died, the police did say it was natural. What out family was told by the Autopsy was because of the overdose of unknown pills, sleeping pills or downer pills our family is not sure of what kind of pills he took but because of a combination of that and his heart disease which he were un aware of until his death that is what caused his death. Heart disease and taking those pills.
His girl friend Sabrina was with him the night he died. She is heavily into the 911truth.org movement.
I do not know the full story of what happened to my nephew but from what we my family were told by Danny’s girl friend Sabrina (what i am about to tell you i am still so confused about because her story changed so much into what happened or what he or she did that night, only Sabrina really knows)
Version 1: Danny stayed over at her house that night in Queens and was having trouble breathing, Sabrina thought nothing of it and just let him sleep and in the morning she found him very blue and called 911.
Version 2: Danny was having trouble sleeping so he took some sleeping pills was having trouble breathing Sabrina thought nothing of it so in the morning when she woke she found him blue and not breathing.
Version 3: Sabrina and Danny had just got back from a party and Danny had bought the pills at the party from someone, took them to help him fall asleep. He took 1, then said these pills aren’t working so took about 15 or some stupid amount of these pills and later that night was having trouble breathing, Sabrina waited till morning when she woke and saw he was blue and not breathing.
Version 4: Danny had bought these pills from this kid and Sabrina is unsure how many pills he took or what kind they were but the pills had some numbers on it. In the morning She found him blue and not breathing.
Now after his death our friends were telling all different kind of things that Sabrina had told them what happened these were the versions I heard had happened. So many things went in my mind theories. I wanted to put blame but I don’t know the truth. I do know she know more to what happened then she was telling us
She needs to stop lieing and claming Dannys father was her family member and we have asked them to stop speaking for Danny because he can’t speak for himself anymore.
Danny wallace (RIP)
lgf: Red and Green Anti-Semetism
Max L 12/15/2003 11:22PM
“Another wonderful eye-opener Charles. Check out this hate filled post I got on my site, I will edit out the foul words”.
“Judebtot- you are a very sick person.erhaps someday YOU will be raped to death in prison like your terroris hero Irv Rubin. That would be nice. F#$% you you evil kike. You are a pestilence on the world. Go Die.” {2003-12-1600:1736} kidsjistainright [at] Yahoo.ca
Oh, heres another one for the man who wants answers.
#21 zulubaby 12-16-2003 12:29AM PST
Max L (#12)
“I just realized something! That E-mail address, kidsjistainright [at] yahoo.ca is DYLAN AVERY aka abe smoling aka shlom katz and a multitude of other jewish sounding names. HE IS A RABID JEW HATER and has posted tons of vicious slander about Charles on NAZIMEDIA. He even posted something about reporting (SNITCHING) me and Charles and deathberg to the Hate Crimes Branch of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. (Aside to Dylan Avery, if you’re reading this, it doesn’t say zulubaby on my passport, ya freak)”
Luke Rudkowski interview with “Three Weeks In September” before arrest
Apr 5th, 2009 • Category: Web-Only Content ShareThis
On March 28th, while on location in New York City, we had the opportunity to speak with Luke Rudkowski, founder of We Are Change, about his thoughts on 9/11 First Responder health issues. Luke and the other members of We Are Change NY regularly gather at Ground Zero to speak about a number of 9/11 related issues. One of those issues is the health care crisis which now faces tens of thousands of 9/11 First Responders.
There is no question that Luke Rudkowski is a passionate advocate for 9/11 First Responders and his organization has raised tens of thousands of dollars to benefit them. While considered “extreme” by some in his efforts to raise issues about 9/11 related issues, their is no doubt that Rudkowski has had a broad reaching effect through his activism. We Are Change has grown from a single small grassroots organization in New York to one with membership chapters across the United States and many foreign countries. Through their ongoing efforts to educate and inform the public at large, hundreds of thousands of people worldwide have learned about the health issues now facing 9/11 First Responders.
The excerpts of our interview above were shot just hours before Luke Rudkowski and two additional members of We Are Change were arrested for attempting to question NYC Mayor Bloomberg about his position on 9/11 First Responder health care and related legislation now pending before the Congress of the United States. Rudkowski is a regular contributing reporter to a number of web based media outlets and had intended to release his interview findings for broadcast on those outlets thereby reaching a potential audience of millions. For his efforts at exercising his First Amendment Rights, Rudkowski and the others were arrested on charges of criminal trespass and impersonating reporters.
The cameras and video evidence they had gathered to document their press related efforts were confiscated at the time of their arrest. You can find out more about Luke’s arrest and what lead up to it by tuning into his Live Web cast at http://www.wearechange.org/ on Sunday, April 5th, at 4pm Eastern Time. Among several topics on the show, he plans to discuss the latest developments related to the March 28th arrest.We will also continue to follow this story and update regularly on new developments.
Until later and with warm regards, Brian JohnsonFilmmaker
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Max L 12/15/2003 11:22PM
“Another wonderful eye-opener Charles. Check out this hate filled post I got on my site, I will edit out the foul words”.
“Judebtot- you are a very sick person.erhaps someday YOU will be raped to death in prison like your terroris hero Irv Rubin. That would be nice. F#$% you you evil kike. You are a pestilence on the world. Go Die.” {2003-12-1600:1736} kidsjistainright [at] Yahoo.ca
Oh, heres another one for the man who wants answers.
#21 zulubaby 12-16-2003 12:29AM PST
Max L (#12)
“I just realized something! That E-mail address, kidsjistainright [at] yahoo.ca is DYLAN AVERY aka abe smoling aka shlom katz and a multitude of other jewish sounding names. HE IS A RABID JEW HATER and has posted tons of vicious slander about Charles on NAZIMEDIA. He even posted something about reporting (SNITCHING) me and Charles and deathberg to the Hate Crimes Branch of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. (Aside to Dylan Avery, if you’re reading this, it doesn’t say zulubaby on my passport, ya freak)”
The Money is getting into his personal account through his paypal. When people donate and this is the slick thing Luke put matt lepachacks email linking to the paypal to cover his tracks a little. I dont have proof that you can see i just have my word and the word of 6 other people who been with the group for 2 years. When i was starting change latino i asked luke how i can get donations without breaking the law he said dont worry about it this is why if you look on my site no place to give donations cause im not down for cyber begging. I would rather pay taxes. I am not accusing luke of anything cause i dont have any hard evidence i am asking questions. But paul ask yourself this I did a search on the New York State Court Unified Court System at http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcrim_attorney/DefendantSearch searched for Lukasz Rudkowski. Since Lukaszwas able to raise $5k for the legal defense fund; why does he have a legal aide lawyer? What has he done with money he raised for a lawyer? More mystery involving Lukasz and large amounts of money.
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Comment from you tube video of Evolution of 9/11 Truth at St Mark’s posted by: Paula Gloria
“This rare gem was passed to Paula Gloria by Joe Friendly and upon viewing got her interested in understanding not why Nico Haupt was a lunatic but what incredibly deep unmet need was at the basis of the tragic expressions that turned purportedly pro-investigation people to march lock-step along a predetermined understanding of what happened technically to bring down the towers during 9/11. A few weeks after this turbulent meeting Dan Wallace died (or was killed) and “We Are Change” initiated when Luke and Les Jamieson, the leader of 9/11 “Truth” parted ways. The newly formed “We Are Change” never met at St Marks and started to have a physical meeting space at Warren 12 while Les Jamison, under the watchful eye of Frank Morales the then Reverend of St Marks, remained at St. Marks initially organizing and raising money. They illegally indicated people could have a tax write-off for donations to a political cause putting St Mark’s 501c3 at legal risk when raising money for the 9/11 Ballot initiative designed by Carl Person. This initiative had the all important Office of City Attorney General included so that the required funding plan could be included; without it it would never fly. Whoever wanted a real investigation to NOT happen realized the danger that Office of City Attorney General presented for not only 911 Truth but many other urgent wrongs, including our financial crisis. Thus a certain Dr Pepper of shady background was put on the project to destroy it. This was done by seducing Frank Morales and Les Jamieson the leader of 9/11 “Truth” with money IF the critical office of City Attorney General was removed from the ballot initiative (rendering it impossible to pass through the legal requirements). It would never have a chance. This was done against the wishes of the steering committee, proving yet again that all 9/11 truth at St Marks is done only by Les Jamieson and Frank Morales who despite being “retired” as Reverend still seems to be at St Marks running 9/11 meetings behind the scenes with a cadre of supporters. It is worthy of note that Dr Pepper was accused of pedophilia in the Northeast (can someone out there give me more details?) and such accusations are supported by material in his own book “The Self Motivated Child”, showing he was perfect for a job that gives earnest and innocent truth seekers an eternally limited form of 9/11 truth. Why do such practices still continue with questionable responsibility at St Marks under the hand of Frank Morales and Les Jamieson ensuring that real truth and the ensuing freedom that comes about in truth’s presence never develops?
What is happening to 9/11 “Truth” at St Marks today?”
Note: forwarded message attached. Dec. 8, 2006
Knowing how sensitive for example the generally absent “9/11 Truth” activist Joe Carranza is about spelling, I want to correct a typo in my attached e-mail exposing Les Jamieson for the total fraud that he is. In the last paragraph the word “brownshorts”, referring to Geoffrey Blank’s armed thugs, should read “brownshirts.” Indeed, if the wacko, photographed “squat- ter” Carl Rosenstein had worn brown shorts, his club would have been visible.
As far as reports of Frank Morales’ involvement in hard drug use and trafficking are con- cerned, I would think, since Jamieson presumably knows nothing about this matter (unless he is also involved) that, if only to protect himself legally, he follow the advice that he some- times whispers to me and to keep his mouth shut. Reports of drug use and trafficking involv- ing St. Mark’s-in-the-Bowery Assistant Pastor Morales should be investgated by the Episco- pal Church and by law enforcement. It’s bad enough that, in inviting Tarpley to speak, “9/11 Truth” was host to man associated with a convicted felon like Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.
Tom Weiss - Member, St. Mark’s in-the-Bowery Church.
Paul Isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Comment from you tube video of Evolution of 9/11 Truth at St Mark’s posted by: Paula Gloria
“This rare gem was passed to Paula Gloria by Joe Friendly and upon viewing got her interested in understanding not why Nico Haupt was a lunatic but what incredibly deep unmet need was at the basis of the tragic expressions that turned purportedly pro-investigation people to march lock-step along a predetermined understanding of what happened technically to bring down the towers during 9/11. A few weeks after this turbulent meeting Dan Wallace died (or was killed) and “We Are Change” initiated when Luke and Les Jamieson, the leader of 9/11 “Truth” parted ways. The newly formed “We Are Change” never met at St Marks and started to have a physical meeting space at Warren 12 while Les Jamison, under the watchful eye of Frank Morales the then Reverend of St Marks, remained at St. Marks initially organizing and raising money. They illegally indicated people could have a tax write-off for donations to a political cause putting St Mark’s 501c3 at legal risk when raising money for the 9/11 Ballot initiative designed by Carl Person. This initiative had the all important Office of City Attorney General included so that the required funding plan could be included; without it it would never fly. Whoever wanted a real investigation to NOT happen realized the danger that Office of City Attorney General presented for not only 911 Truth but many other urgent wrongs, including our financial crisis. Thus a certain Dr Pepper of shady background was put on the project to destroy it. This was done by seducing Frank Morales and Les Jamieson the leader of 9/11 “Truth” with money IF the critical office of City Attorney General was removed from the ballot initiative (rendering it impossible to pass through the legal requirements). It would never have a chance. This was done against the wishes of the steering committee, proving yet again that all 9/11 truth at St Marks is done only by Les Jamieson and Frank Morales who despite being “retired” as Reverend still seems to be at St Marks running 9/11 meetings behind the scenes with a cadre of supporters. It is worthy of note that Dr Pepper was accused of pedophilia in the Northeast (can someone out there give me more details?) and such accusations are supported by material in his own book “The Self Motivated Child”, showing he was perfect for a job that gives earnest and innocent truth seekers an eternally limited form of 9/11 truth. Why do such practices still continue with questionable responsibility at St Marks under the hand of Frank Morales and Les Jamieson ensuring that real truth and the ensuing freedom that comes about in truth’s presence never develops?
What is happening to 9/11 “Truth” at St Marks today?”
Comment from Paula Gloria on “evolution at st marks”
Paul Isaac (NYsentinel) Says:
July 17th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
o Jimmy Walters, who appeared at St Marks church at a 9/11 Truth event and showed a film focusing on the sexual habits, homosexuality, bestiality and sexual perversions (in detail) of members of the Bush administration. Many of those in attendance left, appalled at the content being presented at a Les Jamieson promoted 9/11 event.
WTF !!!???
IN A CHURCH !!!???
“SATAN LAUGHING SPREADS HIS WINGS !!!”